The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

Sullivan with his usual drool

I don't know--that seems like a pretty accurate summary of what I saw.

Mike Pence ‏@mike_pence 27m27 minutes ago
Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA.

lol you piece of shit

Except for Sullivan's last line--missed that.

trump was terrible, anyone saying he "did better tonight" are you fucking kidding me

it was the exact same thing as the last debate, throwing incoherent redmeat bullshit to his base bc that's all he knows how to do, talk to his rallies, nobody else wants to hear that shit and he isn't winning any new voters

lol you piece of shit

Nah, this is okay. Let him go off the edge with Trump.

i bet some of the people who unendorsed him yesterday are regretting that decision, moral and intellectual titans that they are

Sullivan with his usual drool

I don't know--that seems like a pretty accurate summary of what I saw.

― clemenza, Sunday, October 9, 2016

If it were an election before 2004, I think so. He convinced his base. But his base was convinced he was a good prez two weeks ago. His base is unmoved by the last 48 hours. She lost no support, he gained none. Nothing has changed since 8:58 p.m.

low expectations, also people judging hillary a bit hard considering this tall toad of a man said he'd put her in jail and trotted those four ladies out right before the debate, then stalked her all over the stage.

I mean, of course he was gonna survive the last 48 hours

Loser audience member: "What are you gonna do about stuff?"

Trump: "She knows George Soros!"

?????

Fuck all these gaslighting motherfuckers who are -- for whatever reason -- claiming trump did well or reassured his base or even "won"

(xposts) I agree with all of that, but he went into the debate with the entire party apparatus ready to walk away from him (including, apparently, his VP). Just to hang on until the next debate, which he will now, was something of an achievement.

You guys realize that the moment another tape drops with awful comments/actions on it that ANY ground he regained tonight is gone again.

I think this is seriously about the networks wanting to sustain interest in the election by creating the impression of a "horse race"

Fuck all these gaslighting motherfuckers who are -- for whatever reason -- claiming trump did well or reassured his base or even "won"

― Treeship, Sunday, October 9, 2016 1

Trump reassured his base two weeks ago to such an extent that they went to online polls and said he won. And the RNC wasn't going to abandon Trump -- not with this base. If anything, Paul Ryan's situation gets worse, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

remember how Trump's number surged with undecideds in swing states after Pence won the debate a week ago

As for the first half-hour, I suspect he knows there's more stuff on the way and just basically said "Who cares? May as well burn the village down." And he enjoys that, and he'll get lots of adulation from Trump and Hannity for the next few days, and since he's past the point of bringing over any new voters, that's about all he can do.

Limbaugh and Hannity, I meant, although Trump and Hannity works too.

In 2016 we won't see a landslide and we may never see a crazy-ass president nukes blue states in eight years. Candidates with approval ratings in the high forties are the new normal. No one gets converted by these things anymore.

And he enjoys that, and he'll get lots of adulation from Trump and Hannity for the next few days, and since he's past the point of bringing over any new voters, that's about all he can do.

otm

haha meant "may never see one unless a"

lol
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https://twitter.com/bjones/status/785297770718568448

Brian Adam Jones
‏@bjones

Ok guys this is really the best picture of the entire election.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXwJ7OWgAMQacn.jpg:large

6:55 PM - 9 Oct 2016

cannot imagine how he wins a single woman voter what with stalking and threatening her like he did

not joking that i was sitting here and realized i had unconsciously been sort of curling up into a ball to protect myself b/c of his behavior looming behind her and wagging his finger

fun vid:

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/785316612673011712

The guy I listen to in the car out of Buffalo will be absolutely unbearable tomorrow. That's the Trump he loves--he goes on and on about how spineless Romney and McCain were about not attacking Obama, how Republicans always roll over, etc. He probably broke down and cried (joy) when Trump said "You'd be in jail." And he'll love Trump whining to the moderators. That first half-hour would be as cathartic to him as Gingrich turning on John King four years ago was to that audience.

I hate Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/785314624887545856

57-34 for Clinton in the CNN poll.

Hey, Kellyanne Conway was resurfaced.

Balloon Juice front pager working for free does a way better job than Andrew Sullivan, meritocracy in fine form as usual

Trump lost his goddamned mind in this debate. Nobody in a western democracy threatens to jail their opponent on live TV. This guy wants to be Vladimir Putin. I literally cannot believe that reporters will talk about fine details of this or that exchange when an American candidate for President went gibbering insane in front of the country. Folks honestly need to contact your media outlets and complain every time someone acts like this is remotely normal behavior.

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/10/09/tonights-big-take-home/

Ben Smith
‏@BuzzFeedBen

In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a "silverback gorilla." "He dominated her."

8:39 PM - 9 Oct 2016

Wait so Phil D. is the point of that tweet that 538 literally can't interpret their own figures properly anymore?

538 Tweet: I would definitely call my band the Fleeting Interjections.

mediocre yet dangerous men: barely stumbling over lowered bars since forever

https://twitter.com/alexburnsnyt/status/785324843147337728

I genuinely do not understand how ANYONE who was not already firmly in Trump's corner thought that he did well tonight. That was one of the most mortifying displays I've ever witnessed in any context. I guess if you're suggesting that he did well because he didn't fully succumb to the public nervous breakdown he's been flirting with, I'll grant you that much.

And I totally understand anyone who felt triggered by his behavior. I honestly thought he was in a desperate enough place that he might physically assault Clinton at some point. Major, major kudos to her in dealing with that uncaged ape with aplomb.

Guys?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flashback-donald-trump-called-bill-clintons-accusers-terrible/story?id=42686582&cid=clicksource_4380645_3_three_posts_vert_image

Scariest line of the night by far was Trump saying "I didn’t think I was going to say this, but I’m going to say it..." He'd already brought up Bill and Juanita Broderick and the 12-year-old at that point--had literally no idea where he was going to go next. (That's when he brought up jail time.)

Sorry if that was already posted

donald trump is frank yart y'all

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXwuQ3XgAIFKvS.jpg

hart lol

in tonight's debate, he reminded the american public that he is more than simply a dangerous sexual predator. he showed that, in addition, he is unable to string two coherent sentences together. so yeah. big win.

I hear the focus group on CNN was also largely Hillary?

but yeah, this race is still over, we have to stomach the last month.

genuinely do not understand how ANYONE who was not already firmly in Trump's corner thought that he did well tonight.

that's just it. i don't actually believe those folks (despite their protestations to the contrary) thought he did too great in the first one. they genuinely think he did this time. doesn't matter. dude's done.

i don't think he will win but i think the fact that people on tv were discussing him as if he were a candidate again rather than a pariah was deeply troubling.

to caek upthread, that's what I thought - once you're hitting Hillary's polling numbers, kinda hard to get much higher, so not surprised that the numbers did or didn't do what they did tonight.

xpost yes, I agree, but what are you gonna do - that everybody falls for the strategy of diminished expectations like trained apes time and again just shows the GOP and their voters are largely dum-dums

Honestly, I think a lot of these people are delirious after talking about pussy all weekend.

it was so weird. one minute trump says clinton has "tremendous hatred in her heart" and is creepily looming over her, the next a smiling kellyanne conway tells chris matthews that trump "really spoke to the frustrations of voters tonight" and faced only a few mild objections. they cut to chuck todd who said that she was a "lovely person"