The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

Lindy West – Verified account ‏@thelindywest

so trump talked for 40:10 & clinton talked for 39:05, yet he threw 47 tantrums about not getting equal time. men think equality = oppression

entire arsenal

Guns can be reloaded. Wouldn't be surprised if he was so tonedeaf to voter reaction outside the Trumpbase that he dragged out the Bill accusers again.

Watch the "she's got hate on her heart" get play for the next 30 days.

trying to analyze trump in this debate is like trying to provide a critical analysis of un chien andalou.

lol

is he holding the razor or is he the razor

I think he's the piano covered in corpses

none of the cnn pundits are talking about the fact that trump literally threatened to imprison his political opponent

we're definitely the eyeball

Lindy west otm

The other reason why it's weird to discuss who 'won' and 'lost' the debate is because Hillary won the election at the last debate...

must keep up appearances

check out ken bone

https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/785310805822668800

hrc's answers were kinda crappy for the most part but i think that was because she emotionally disconnected herself in order to survive this debate... i mean these must have been excrutiating circumstances for her, and she held it together. hats off, imo.

*excruciating

it was a victory for trump only in the sense that he probably didn't alienate anyone new (a tall task even for him) but in that he is way down and doesn't have enough votes to win i think it was an utter failure because i don't think he captured a single new vote.

he got The Trump Base "elated." What does it matter?

Agreed on both - A. He did elate the Limbaugh/Hannity/Bannon crowd. As Maddow and Matthews are saying on msnbc, the base is going to declare victory. They'll be crowing tomorrow. And B. It won't matter.

It'll be just a few days before the polling will show the effects of the Access Hollywood stuff, and then they'll be back to spluttering "but... BENGHAZI"

Sadly Pence via Twitter has telegraphed that he's staying in.

https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/785306008377622528

every speech/debate of his

btw frogbs and Treeship I rly suggest you two grab a spa weekend or something before the election, get a massage and some sort of mud treatment and turn off yr phones

if trump actually had any debating skills or self-control he could have done a lot more damage with all his material, but it was all he could do to try and just plop it all out there

frogbs' resistance to data at this point is NRO level.

xp i mean if you want to drag her down using bill, you don't do it by blurting out, CHILD RAPIST, no one's gonna bite at that

What are you talking bout Alfred?

exactly

ROFL

https://twitter.com/on3ness/status/785313135200653312

Sullivan with his usual drool:

I’m horrified to say that Trump will survive this, even though he absolutely shouldn’t. I suspect this performance will prevent a total meltdown in his campaign. His Breitbart-style attacks on Clinton will have riled up his base. Her defensive rebuttals were not crude enough to hit home. But it remains true that this man openly pledged to put his opponent in jail if he is elected – something that is truly destructive of a liberal democracy. He pledged to ally with Putin’s Russia in global politics. He offered mere slogans when asked to provide substantive policy answers. And he took politics to a new low in his tabloid antics.

He’s a disgrace and a national embarrassment. And he may still win this election.

Im gonna watch it in 30 minutes. Packers are on. I aint at home.

I was wondering after the VP debate how much nymag is paying him to reprise his 2012 schtick just one more time

I hope they're getting like negative conversions or however shit is measured nowadays (re: Sullivan)

lol Sullivan freakout just a little behind schedule

hrc's answers were kinda crappy for the most part but i think that was because she emotionally disconnected herself

...around 1975

good move on her part. the 1975 are a terrible band.

Sullivan with his usual drool

I don't know--that seems like a pretty accurate summary of what I saw.

Mike Pence ‏@mike_pence 27m27 minutes ago
Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA.

lol you piece of shit

Except for Sullivan's last line--missed that.

trump was terrible, anyone saying he "did better tonight" are you fucking kidding me

it was the exact same thing as the last debate, throwing incoherent redmeat bullshit to his base bc that's all he knows how to do, talk to his rallies, nobody else wants to hear that shit and he isn't winning any new voters

lol you piece of shit

Nah, this is okay. Let him go off the edge with Trump.

i bet some of the people who unendorsed him yesterday are regretting that decision, moral and intellectual titans that they are

Sullivan with his usual drool

I don't know--that seems like a pretty accurate summary of what I saw.

― clemenza, Sunday, October 9, 2016

If it were an election before 2004, I think so. He convinced his base. But his base was convinced he was a good prez two weeks ago. His base is unmoved by the last 48 hours. She lost no support, he gained none. Nothing has changed since 8:58 p.m.

low expectations, also people judging hillary a bit hard considering this tall toad of a man said he'd put her in jail and trotted those four ladies out right before the debate, then stalked her all over the stage.

I mean, of course he was gonna survive the last 48 hours

Loser audience member: "What are you gonna do about stuff?"

Trump: "She knows George Soros!"

?????

Fuck all these gaslighting motherfuckers who are -- for whatever reason -- claiming trump did well or reassured his base or even "won"

(xposts) I agree with all of that, but he went into the debate with the entire party apparatus ready to walk away from him (including, apparently, his VP). Just to hang on until the next debate, which he will now, was something of an achievement.

You guys realize that the moment another tape drops with awful comments/actions on it that ANY ground he regained tonight is gone again.

I think this is seriously about the networks wanting to sustain interest in the election by creating the impression of a "horse race"

Fuck all these gaslighting motherfuckers who are -- for whatever reason -- claiming trump did well or reassured his base or even "won"

― Treeship, Sunday, October 9, 2016 1

Trump reassured his base two weeks ago to such an extent that they went to online polls and said he won. And the RNC wasn't going to abandon Trump -- not with this base. If anything, Paul Ryan's situation gets worse, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

remember how Trump's number surged with undecideds in swing states after Pence won the debate a week ago

As for the first half-hour, I suspect he knows there's more stuff on the way and just basically said "Who cares? May as well burn the village down." And he enjoys that, and he'll get lots of adulation from Trump and Hannity for the next few days, and since he's past the point of bringing over any new voters, that's about all he can do.