The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

I'll be on a train with a phone so I guess I can count on y'all to be my personal livebloggers? Cool thx

You can stream the full debates on C-Span even after they're done: https://www.c-span.org/presidentialDebate/

Frum's conservative upthread is nostalgic for a time when dogwhistling was all that was necessary. Sort of equivalent to South's pining for a prior age of "gentility and courtliness".

Frum's conservatism

That should say

Score - thanks, intheblanks.

He saw that millions of ordinary people who do not deserve to be dismissed as bigots were sick of the happy talk and reality-denial that goes by the too generous label of “political correctness.”

This brand of bullshit is depressingly familiar this side of the Atlantic too.

Trump is doing a presser with women who claim Bill Clinton assaulted them
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/785260670455603200

Trump on cnn w bill clinton accusers. This is sad.

Wooooooowwwww

How many women did he dig up?

4.

I dont think this is gonna work.

All old shit - juania broadrick, kathleen wiley, paula jones etc

Greatest democracy in the world.

Oh, man...Always thought this would descend into a new kind of nasty, but it never did until now.

Wait is this happening now as in an hour before the debate?

I thought he was resting!

sta-mi-na

This is noise, a headfake, and its gonna backfire - it'll keep his base happy but that's it.

This is insane.

Pelosi otm about how hillary should handle this - acjnowledge it as a desperate attempt to change the subject and move back to real issues etc.

This will thrill Limbaugh and Hannity and that 30 or 35%. Most everyone else, including many Republicans, must be really queasy at a minimum.

Yup

He's really going to just walk out there and set himself on fire, isn't he?

This is so gross.

For Trump, this really and truly does count as debate prep.

Trump's not gonna be contrite - he's gonna spray aggressive accusations of hypocrisy like a tommy gun and it's going to look desperate and ugly. As long as Hillary chooses her words carefully and maintains her dignity she will win.

This will thrill Limbaugh and Hannity and that 30 or 35%.

does this 90s trash revival mean that media whores online will reappear? that's what i want

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/785188891729027073
How Trump's circle of allies and associates describe themselves this afternoon: uncertain. Uncertain about what he'll do and say.

so dilbert switched over to gary johnson?

I'm certain that this will not be a glorious episode in the history of the United States of America. (xp)

Second hand anecdotal to me, but apparently some Trumpsters want to punish the GOP deserters by leaving the downticket blank or writing in D J Trump. Please, please, please, God, if You're listening, we'd all appreciate it down here if you could give this movement a nudge.

All Hillary needs to do is point out how Teump used those women and tie it back to his general behavior

As long as Hillary chooses her words carefully and maintains her dignity she will win.

Of course.. Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself and so on, but holy hell do I want to see her twist the knife Ann Richards style

He knows he's lost, and is now aiming to injure Clinton - not electorally, but personally. He's a piece of shit, and if someone snuck a hideout piece into the debate tonight and put five or six holes in him, I'd go to sleep feeling better about the future of this country.

To sanpaku: Oh yes. Lots of Tromp fans are doing the "If you distance yourself from the Donald, you're dead to me" dance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/56gfg2/either_stand_with_trump_or_we_wont_stand_with_you/

Some even say they'll vote for downticket Democrats just out of spite, but I doubt they'll follow through.

From a pure electoral standpoint this is a perfect storm: Republicans who defend Trump will be deservedly tarred with his slime, forever, by all decent humans. Those who _don't_ defend him will be torpedoed by defections from the right.

Elections being won by addition rather than subtraction, please to remind me how that wrks

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 29s30 seconds ago St Louis, MO
My team of deplorables will be taking over my Twitter account for tonight's #debate
#MakeAmericaGreatAgain

xp:
Alas, H. is no Ann Richards. Times like these also remind me to mourn the passing of another Texan, Molly Ivins, who'd make mincemeat of T in a column.

trumpsters spite voting

https://mlkshk-ada.kxcdn.com/r/S4M0

considering watching eli manning v aaron rodgers on nbc instead

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/785276194698694656

probably he'll bring the clinton stuff up in the debate but part of me wonders if he'll refrain, and ask for credit for only doing so in a pre-debate conference, and being gentlemanly during the debate.

YMP: the best possible outcome of this campaign would be the emergence of an American nativist UKIP style party, only with more shitposts and misogyny, with the baton handed on by Trump to alt-righters. The GOP, mindful of demographics, couldn't embrace that, but it would gut their know-nothing core.

UK != US, especially in terms of demographics/history with immigration, but it didn't work out that simply in the UK, not least because the centre left part has a know-nothing core too. be careful what you wish for.

Yeah I don't think that's a desirable outcome

The press conference was lame anyway.

Ideally the next president will ban private schools, homeschooling, and towns smaller than 50,000 people.

caek: T brought Bill's accusers to the audience. T's going dirty.

He's not even good at trash political theater

JANET BROWN!

What kind of a handshake or whatever does Clinton offer when they come out? Hope and assume she won't smile.

(Was Paula Jones at that table?)