The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

what? dreamcast was not a 4th gen console n00b

ok i will explain my joke

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13202794/arguetron-twitter-bot-alt-right-internet-bigots-4chan-sarah-nyberg

(from: alt-right thread)

Trump's Greatest Hits

Haha wow xpost

"Who would that be"

exactly. I mean I'd be all for it if we had a substantive challenging election with two very qualified and personable candidates, both of whom had strengths that I could admire (not that regean really fit that bill but you know what I mean) but I can't fathom the GOP nominating anyone like this and I'm struggling to even think of anyone... Weld maybe?

they might have to look into reanimation IMO

reaganimation

Just a reminder from someone who was 10 in 1980, Reagan was a terrifying insane POS

(But I'd vote for him over trump)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuWY76X0sIQ

this might have been posted. i think it's pretty catchy.

o i am gonna be sick

wait, Dreamcast totally was 4th gen. came out a year before PS2, two years before GCN and Xbox.

Next up: Rating the Superhunks.

We will soon see if Mogul, as he has been dubbed by the Secret Service, will once more take the shiny snares thrown out by Hillary and her crack team of psychologists.

idk why but "Mogul" feels like a piss-take but that's probably just because i want it to be

https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/785147494162427904?s=09

https://twitter.com/chrisdocnee/status/785159503419351040

I don't remember that being quite as graphic when I saw it in the theater

xp Knew it

http://jezebel.com/the-decline-of-donald-trump-a-huge-classy-live-blog-1787588658

Dreamcast was 6th Gen btw rmde

It's pissing me the fuck off that Trump defenders treat Lewinsky as if she were assaulted or forced to have sex with Clinton. It's impossible for them to conceive of any kind of sex that's not shameful, illicit, and involving them.

They're just clutching at straws at this point

I'm seeing this line going around FB about "Women offended by Trump? Blah blah 50 Shades of Grey blah blah #Hypocrites", and I'm all like acknowledging genitals and their functions must be so hard for you.

Pierce is fun today

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a49415/america-waiting-for-donald-trump/

regarding additional + worse trump tapes set to drop

realized the genius thing here is.. if such a thing exists and someone has it, would you even need to release it at this point? might be more useful NOT to release and just use the idea to rattle the hell out of trump campaign and his supporters

lewinsky (and flowers, I guess) are the only two of these that seem to be positively corroborated in the past, both were consensual and in lewinsky's case she gets points for never going down the same hole that broadrick and willey have gone down

'going down the same hole' conjuring up some unfortunate mental images there tbh

in lewinsky's case she gets points for never going down

I know...it just kind of leapt off the screen.

Nothing is going to rattle his die hard supporters. What we're about to find out is how much of the GOP base consists of full on Trumpists.

the supposed n-word tape seems like the kind of thing trumpists would straight-up approve of

the only demographic he's going to win is 'white people who want to know why they can't say the n-word too,' any tape like that wouldn't shift his core at all.

what supposed n-word tape? is that just supposed here or was it rumored elsewhere?

akm: https://twitter.com/chrisdocnee/status/785159503419351040

it's such a charming quirk of american politics that everyone would be horrified by that, while the campaign of harassment he led against black children standing trial for a crime they didn't commit contributed to their public vilification and false conviction, facts that he -- far from apologizing for -- simply dismisses, as he does the proven fact of their innocence.

republican hypocrisy is the real story here. trump's hatefulness has been known and documented and has had real, life or death repercussions

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/10/endorsement_hillary_clinton.html

I love that Frum turned this in probably right before the tape and it's just kind of hanging out on the Atlantic front page.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-to-rebuild-the-republican-party/503282/

That AL.com endorsement almost but not quite beats the Deseret News "don't vote for this guy"

Only because as a former resident I know the Huntsville Times and other papers which eventually became al.com were always relatively liberal - they are trying to sell reading material after all

The Frum piece has 404'd.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-to-rebuild-the-republican-party/503282/

Try this?

Frum paints in too broad strokes there to be of any actual use. The piece is just a lightweight sermon on the virtues of reconciling differences and coming together.

I don't get everyone one here saying the Republican Party is going to collapse/break apart. They still have the guaranteed support of 35% of the voters out there. All they have to do next time around is nominate the Reaganest looking mofo they can get their hands on and it'll be back to normal.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, October 9, 2016 10:48 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-generation-of-gop-stars-may-be-diminished-everything-trump-touches-dies/2016/10/09/890a5074-8e2c-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html

pence waiting for the debate to decide whether to quit?

From the Rucker article:

Schmidt warned that elected officials who “were scared and cautious about confronting this manifest disgrace to our national life will not be serious candidates for national office.”

Frum wrote the same piece in 2012. He also wrote this:

http://politicalbooks.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/george-w-bush-bullhorn-frum.jpg

I don't get everyone one here saying the Republican Party is going to collapse/break apart. They still have the guaranteed support of 35% of the voters out there. All they have to do next time around is nominate the Reaganest looking mofo they can get their hands on and it'll be back to normal.

I don't know about break apart on a national level or disappear, but what can the GOP do to not lose every minority group, educated people, not part

Co-opting libertarianism might suit the big money donors who were guiding things from behind before, but any moderation on social issues or drugs or etc. is going to cause a meltdown among the Trumpists who comprise that guaranteed 35% - so if you need to keep that percentage locked down, how do you gain any ground elsewhere

do to not lose every minority group, educated people, people not part of a regular churchgoing community, etc.*

What Frum should have said was along the lines of:

The most vicious elements in American politics cannot gain power without the connivance of principled conservatives, and it is time to cut all ties with racists and white nationalists if they want to preserve their guiding values. Serious republicans are becoming a rump within the party and consequently are losing influence on the country's governance; they must soon ruthlessly cut off themselves off from the know-nothing base they've shackled themselves to and seek a governing coalition with the center and center-left Democrats, changing party where necessary to maintain their seat at the table. The alternative is to provide expertise and give power to the worst elements of our nation, while stifling progress on every important issue we face.

But, of course, he didn't say that.

I think this is good:

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/08/what-color-is-the-swan/

However, the idea that the recording comes as an exogenous surprise does not make sense. Trump’s record of misogynistic comments is abundant, and his unfiltered comments are part of his core appeal. As a reality television star with thousands of hours of candid footage, it seems inevitable that such comments would come to light…though it’s taken a while.

I would argue that this weekend’s public blowback is triggered by a growing realization of what will happen on November 8th. After the first debate, it became obvious that Trump was going to lose the general election. Clinton’s bounceback is small, but by modern (i.e. post-1996) standards it looks large. There isn’t enough time for opinion to shift back (for instance, within my random diffusion assumption), especially given the natural setpoint of the race (my Bayesian prior that assumes regression to the mean). In other words, people’s intuitions started telling them that time had run out for Trump.