The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

there is some joy to be had in trump going down to a clinton because of his own sexual shit.

the major reason I was not looking forward to a clinton candidacy and presidency: rehashing kathleen willey, lewinsky, flowers, broadrrick. I don't know what to believe or how I feel about any of them because they've all gone so far down rabbit holes of clinton conspiracy lunacy since (well except for Monica)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

bill clinton's friendship with jeffrey epstein rings alarm bells for me. predation was such a big part of that guy's life it's hard for me to believe bill wasn't aware of it. however, 1.) trump was friends with him too and 2.) this doesn't have anything to do with hillary

yeah that's all pretty vile. and the fact that trump was involved with him means he's never going to bring that up.

https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/784576296542167041

― flappy bird, Friday, October 7, 2016 7:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if this hasn't been mentioned yet, this Twitter post has already been deleted...

the major reason I was not looking forward to a clinton candidacy and presidency: rehashing kathleen willey, lewinsky, flowers, broadrrick.

always sex, right? never perpetual war, corporate shilldom, endless surveillance etc.

there is some joy to be had in trump going down to a clinton because of his own sexual shit.

however you want to imagine it; he was always 'going down' because he is a trainwreck clown and betrays this with his every utterance. America likes its vicious simpletons to be able to fake virtue, a la Reagan.

I know the new Clinton email/speech leaks will be endlessly perused here, so imma just leave this:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/784554325645332480

too horrified by all this to find it funny or even have schadenfreude

flappy bird otm about the more visceral quality of hearing trump say "pussy" etc

I don't know. I should be happy about this? I'm just sick. Really sick. All the disgust and rage I've been suppressing, all the stuff I've been studiously trying to ignore, just all comes up to the surface.

I tried to talk to my wife about this, what it means. It's hard for us to talk politics mostly because of me, because I get these visceral reactions to everything that's going on, I can't compartmentalize. And we talked through it, and got to the realization that we have a guy who brags about sexually assaulting women running as a major party candidate for President, with the support of maybe 40% of the electorate, and then we couldn't really talk about it anymore.

I don't feel relieved. I didn't sleep well last night. I can't put words to it yet, what this fucker has put all of us through. I don't know what's going to happen come November when this guy loses. I think a lot of people have some pretty awful shit they are going to want to work out.

Floored on Friday might be the best Magic Treehouse book.

This stuff has overshadowed both a hurricane and confirmation that Russia is directly meddling in the election. In Russia, pussy grabs you.

that "attack bill" shit has to be coming directly from trump, right? A political pro would have be insane to think that re-litigating the impeachment is a good strategy

Depends on whether you think the Breitbart crowd counts as political pros.

IME the attack bill shit is, at least partly, intended to satisfy a specific line of grievance that predates Trump's candidacy. It is a front line in the Republican civil war: angry white males on the hard right feeling that the GOP doesn't "fight." McCain famously correcting a fired-up supporter about Obama's decency; Christie hugging Obama during Sandy cleanup; Romney's dignified surrender instead of going for the jugular; congressional R's alleged caving to the Obama agenda (despite legislative obstruction, which they call "failure theater"). All spineless cucks.

They want a fighting fighter who fights. Someone who's not a milquetoast and who will bring the pain to the dems. They constantly and approvingly quote Lincoln's "I cannot spare this man; he fights" line about Grant.

The main right-wing critique of Trump's last debate performance was that he didn't hit back harder (not that he is a terrible person).

This line of thinking is just about the cathartic release of unbridled Id at this point - it is not about winning the election. To put it crudely, Trump already HAD the rape culture vote. He already had the douchey frat bros and PUAs and the neckbeard incel fedora crowd.

I dunno, maybe there are people out there who think "Aw, grow up, pollyanna, this is just how guys talk" is a winning electoral strategy. I don't think so, not when you're already 20 points behind with women.

(Which is not to say that only women and SNAG girlymen object - everyone should find Trump abhorrent, and it looks like enough will.)

Floored on Friday might be the best Magic Treehouse book.

This stuff has overshadowed both a hurricane and confirmation that Russia is directly meddling in the election. In Russia, pussy grabs you.

― Josh in Chicago

is there any more evidence than there was thursday, or just a formal accusation?

Mike Drucker ‏@MikeDrucker 7h7 hours ago
TRUMP: We need to make an apology video.
STAFF: How do you want it to look?
TRUMP: Hmm. Let's go with a CD-ROM encyclopedia from 1995.

I do echo the feelings of posters upthread, along the lines of "THIS? and not the other thousand reasons?" Still, as an unapologetic partisan I will take it.

Oh, and, bonus dickhead: Corey Stewart, ladies and gentlemen:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/trumps-va-chair-women-wont-mind-that-trump-acted-like-a-frat-boy-as-a-lot-of-guys-do/2016/10/07/74d002de-8ce7-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_vatrump1134pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

It will be delicious if the orange ooze of the trumplosion takes down this fucker as well. He wants to be governor or possibly senator, and I want his career inexorably ruined by association (if not for the many minor evils he's already perpetrated).

Just saw a ridiculous Republicans Abroad woman on the BBC basically shrugging her shoulders and saying, "Well, that's men for you!" - the poor dears, they know no better - then going on to say partial responsibility must be shared with women who 'throw themselves at rich and powerful men and celebrities'.

https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/784610992726609921?s=09

that "attack bill" shit has to be coming directly from trump, right? A political pro would have be insane to think that re-litigating the impeachment is a good strategy

The bill Clinton fixation is a mixture of trumps projection and roger stone. Don't think ailes or even the breitbart mob are stupid enough.

I know the new Clinton email/speech leaks will be endlessly perused here, so imma just leave this:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/784554325645332480

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius),

what's the news?

https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/784732117284433921

Just saw a ridiculous Republicans Abroad woman on the BBC basically shrugging her shoulders and saying, "Well, that's men for you!" - the poor dears, they know no better - then going on to say partial responsibility must be shared with women who 'throw themselves at rich and powerful men and celebrities'.

― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:23 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyone seen fox this morning? top headline on the website includes "Republican lawmakers call for him to drop out", which seems noteworthy coming from them.

is there any more evidence than there was thursday, or just a formal accusation?

Not sure if this is that formal accusation or something new.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/russia-conducted-wiki-hack-says-u-s-intelligence.html

Today the Department of Homeland security and the director of national intelligence announced they are confident the leaks were orchestrated by Russia and were intended to influence the election

omg scottie telling navarra not to say pussy because it's offensive and navarra blasting her that she finds it offensive now but not when trump said it
― Mordy, Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:44 AM (eight hours ago)

Yeah, pretty wild. And Hughes is on there this morning again--she must have had like four hours sleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nza-Oh-xMt4

Lmao @ "in Russia, pussy grabs you"

Billy Bush's apology (which actually contained the words "I'm very sorry") about 1000x more convincing than Trump's little Max Headroom hostage video.

xp eazy - that doesn't look like "evidence", that looks like political theater. i've heard that word on the street is that this statement is mostly motivated by democrats in congress or w/e who think that a strong anti-russian stance will provide some political advantage.

i don't think they're right. who's going to listen to the conclusions the us intelligence services have reached based on undisclosed information? the american left, after us intelligence's claim that iraq possessed wmds? the american right, after us intelligence's declining to recommend clinton's indictment? russia, whose future is significantly staked on trump somehow winning this election?

The most striking thing about the HRC speeches for me is that she seems to be further left on health care than I thought she was. "Bias against people who have led successful and/or complicated lives" is lol though.

a lot of this stuff is like that leak where she's sympathizing w/ hard luck millennials where in context it's fine or even sympathetic but you can pull context-free quotes that look bad on their own - which is the reason i assumed she didn't want to leak them in the first place.

remember when i asked about the whole Christian thing earlier?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299782-evangelical-leaders-denounce-trump-for-fueling-bigotry

https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump

leak release

lol wow: https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/784608760987779072

lord if only I'd thrown in money when Hillary sunk that one week

These are terrible song lyrics.

https://twitter.com/ingrahamangle/status/784741614291865600

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuPw-2FWYAIHc3d.jpg

WHY are they calling these "lewd comments" and not "bragging about assaulting women"

"they" = tv pundits mostly

These are terrible song lyrics.

https://twitter.com/ingrahamangle/status/784741614291865600

― Ned Raggett

Fine by me

lol @ Ingraham, as if this is the only disqualifying thing Trump has done in the last 12+ months and it is just coming out now to ruin his immaculate campaign.

Lifezette lols

First they came for the sex perverts
And I let them
Because I'm a decent human being

What lesson will the GOP learn from this? Family values religious constitutional conservatism seems like the opposite of trump, so maybe they go there? In which case maybe Hillary could win 2020 too.

I'm waiting for a Trump surrogate to seize on the line "I moved on her and I failed--I'll admit it" and try to make the case that the video shows a very human Trump, humbled, vulnerable, taking ownership of his actions, realistic about his limitations, not the imperious blowhard he's been caricatured as. More presidential.

"A lot of people have denigrated our campaign, but this response proves Trump acts very President when he's caught being rapey or doing illegal shit. And isn't that what you want in the White House - a guy who says "I'm sorry" meekly with his pants down?"

btw, how mortified is Nancy O'Dell right now? Or maybe she's popping the cork on some champagne.

"shoulda thought something was amiss when he took me to Seaman's Furniture"

The all-to-human inability to open the door to a motorcoach.

kinda surprised nobody has seized on the "don't most of you Democrats listen to rap? they say way worse" angle

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuQClJMW8AEuqls.jpg

R-Ala.

haha daaaaaaaaamn