Should Marijuana be legalised?

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sorry, mr. map. never knew how word-county exclusive the love of everything is. be seeing you :(

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i'd be there, but there's only so long you can persist excluded from 'the in board' before expectation totally deflates. which isn't to say though hey, hope you guys hit new highs

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i'm not on 77 anymore fwiw and agree it has some boring and in-groupy elements but iirc it can be a good place to talk about things you don't want to be easily linked to your ilx account. josh in chicago has been around a long time though and there's been a lot of discussion about what 77 is on the main board and it seems he should at least kind of know what it is. i feel like i'm always seeing him say he doesn't know something and then drop 3 graphs about it anyway. i just think it's odd and find it annoying but w/e.

can't recall because i've never been invited to participate in 77 even though i've been clown-posting here for years turns out

So I will be receiving my medical marijuana card in the next week or so. this is an odd turn of events; I'm really not a smoker and I am a little wary of using this prescription but I've been dealing with chronic neck pain and muscle spasms for about 16 months so at this point I'll try anything.
I'm an NYC resident. anyone have any questions?

you can ingest instead of smoke, but edibles are pretty potent, so be cautious

NYC doesn't offer legal smokable weed actually; my understanding is the options are time release capsules (meh), fluid for vaping (uh uh) and sub lingual drops. Given that I'll likely take this before I go to sleep, as that's when the pain is worse (and has been kept in check till now with an evening cocktail of 800mg ibuprofen and muscle relaxers), I think the immediate relief option is the one I'll go for. It's apparently offered as three separate levels of THC/CBD potency and you're guided by the pharmacist as to what's most effective through trial and error. Insurance won't cover this and the doc suggested a monthly dose would likely run $130 out of pocket... which sucks but if it genuinely works I'll take it. There appears to only be one dispensary in Manhattan proper but, as it happens, it's 45 minutes away by subway. Further reports when my card shows up and I start trying to make appointments.

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Vaping fluid is very popular in legal states (and non-legal if you can find it) - an extract is made then mixed with propylene glycol or similar, the tank looks like the early e-cig things you could buy at corner stores.
I've tried those, if that's the form it works like a champ. Screw the tank onto a $5 e-cig battery and take veeeeeeery light drags to start with. You're getting a lot of THC in concentrated form, it's easy to overdo it.

Edibles are too variable for me - I made a batch of coconut oil and it would take an unpredictable number of hours to hit me. Currently have tincture drops in the fridge but I haven't tried it yet - the idea of putting 151 under my tongue is horrifying. I'll probably just dropper it into a glass of water or something.

THC is the more useful part for pain but a 1:1 THC:CBD mixture is good if you're worried about anxiety/paranoia - CBD blunts the anxiety response some people have to THC. Higher CBD than THC (like the 20:1 products for epilepsy, etc.) don't get you high and while there's a body relaxation effect I don't think it would be useful for pain.

re: variable time - first two times I tried the coconut oil effects were minor but then I went to sleep. Increased the dose by 2 more ml, went to bed an hour later THEN woke up 3 hours later higher than I have been in my entire life. Still sort of high the next morning. For some reason it wasn't hitting for 4 hours, maybe my digestion is fucked.

We had made the coconut oil a few times and unpredictable is right. Sometimes it would come on in under an hour. Sometimes I'd be sitting there for three hours feeling like I'd wasted my time when it would finally start creeping up on me. I like the high much better than smoking it though.

I've been researching the whole thing for my crohns and finding it pretty confusing. I guess I don't need my gastroenterologist to be on board with the idea, but I do need some kind of statement of diagnosis from her. But who actually prescribes the shit for me? A doctor at the one place that exists in Manhattan?

Jon, let's talk. I can recommend the pain management doctor who helped me get the prescription.
Basically all you need is a referral from someone who is certified to put you in the program and there's only a few in the city. I have a list and we can see who takes your insurance... or you can ask your gastro explicitly to place you with someone who can.

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what the hell are they smoking in new hampshire

given all the car wrecks we've had in this country, why on earth should we be giving people bikes?

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Who's the one dweeb who voted nay?

it was the fuzz

it was someone in new hampshire. one time they know someone who smoked a bowl and immediately jumped out of a window because they thought they could fly

in the middle of that sentence someone asked me a question and i decided to just keep typing and let jesus take the wheel with the post. goddammit jesus

Does weed help with crohn? Asking for two friends. Both have it. Just seems an awful thing to have. :-(

Also the one who voted no: learn to hit the correct answer.

Yes

It has helped my crohns symptoms baseline and quelled flare ups when I have taken extra. I don’t know if it has done anything to the disease at a deeper level. Unfortunately it’s been over a month since I’ve been able to afford it (1:1 tincture is $210 a month in nyc)

let's talk about this sometime jon

Fuck the price is stupid high

Wtf. 210 dollars??? A shop just opened here. They sell med weed at 10/12 euros. Been trying to convince the two ppl suffering from crohn to go. Alas one can't due to religious reasons, the other fears it might influence the impact of other medicine her kid is taking. (Daughter is 20 yo)

can confirm it helps. obviously there are side effects. because it can potentially affect late brain development, i would be hesitant to push for someone younger than their mid-20s to use it regularly unless absolutely necessary.

Oh hell no. She's an adult. Wldnt recommend for a kid.

20 still too young for more-than-occasional use imo (he said hypocritically)

though if her current medication isn't sufficient it's certainly something to consider.

Her diagnosis is very recent though they now realize she's had it since she was 12. But it's sth to consider. Fuck Crohn. :-((((

it help relieve symptoms for sure (i used to use it when i otherwise could not leave my house, now on humira that's not as much as an issue and i mostly use it for pain relief + appetite) and the science isn't quite there yet (mostly they're researching its effects on crohn's in israel) but the anti-inflammation might help w/ the crohn's itself

As an anti-inflammatory, is it even as effective as ibuprofen? Or is the idea that it is less effective but less unhealthy?

I might have mentioned already, but since I had always heard about its benefits for those with glaucoma (which my mother in law takes medicine for) we found that you would pretty much have to be dosing with cannabis on a near non-stop basis to come close to the effects of Rx meds.

I'm really torn about legalization, at least in some regards. It should really be decriminalized, or at least no more criminalized than alcohol, but that kind of elides over the issue that alcohol is not particularly good for you. So it's def. hypocritical and stupid that cannabis is mostly illegal and alcohol isn't, but probably for the vast majority of people neither has many benefits and both have potential drawbacks, health or otherwise. Of course we have tried prohibition, and that didn't work, but there's something kind of ... off about making something at least potentially dangerous freely available just because you can't stop people from using it. It's like a rhetorical circle.

something at least potentially dangerous freely available just because you can't stop people from using it.

decriminalization cannot regulate the black market any more than prohibition can. even if you view it as a potentially dangerous drug, the fact that it cannot be effectively controlled in a black market means that at least a legal market allows us some small measure of regulation and control, and the state can collect taxes that may be used to offset potential harms.

JiC on what basis should the government be restricting people's usage of a plant? "potential drawbacks, health or otherwise" -- if that's your standard there are a lot of things we should ban before cannabis. not just alcohol. maybe we should ban palm oil, artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup and sodas, cigarettes, alcohol, numerous over the counter medicines... humans can abuse all kinds of things and cannabis they can abuse much less than others.

unless you can give me a clear and unequivocal reason why cannabis is dangerous to adults i don't think you need to be a libertarian to believe the govt has no business banning it.

What's "at least potentially dangerous" about weed? Stoned driving?

but probably for the vast majority of people neither has many benefits

alcohol gets you drunk and weed gets you high; demanding more benefits seems plain spoiled

Well, you underscore my point. There are *a lot* of dangerous or potential dangerous things that we allow and/or encourage! From a rhetorical standpoint it seems as tenuous to me to say potentially dangerous product A should be legal because dangerous product B, etc is legal as it is to argue, well, people are just going to do it anyway. Even if both of those things are true! I def. don't think the government should ban it and I never said they should. It definitely benefits some people. The challenge, when it comes to legalization, esp. recreational, is where to draw those lines, those restrictions. Obv. small children shouldn't use cannabis products. How about teens? At what age? How should they be penalized for using under age, or holding at school, or showing up at school high? These are as much social issues as they are legal issues, and these are things people have struggled with for years for all sorts of substances/activities. But it stands to reason that the more legal it gets the more it will be used and abused, so a question becomes how to deal with that and when.

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If you hired a babysitter for your kid, would you rather she be stoned or sober? Would you care?

Like, you're not going to overdose on cannabis, so in that regard it's "safe." But it does alter and impair functions.

(I type, as I sip a delicious cold beer.)

xps. .this is a silly line of questioning. you would presumably want them to be sober.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states
I assure you, you are not

Man, yeah, the price difference between buying in Illinois versus Michigan is absolutely nuts. I was shocked the last time we were in Michigan and walked out with probably 5x what we'd get in Illinois for the same cost.