Should Marijuana be legalised?

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xp no bile intended or anything but you've got to have one of the lowest word-count-to-knowledge ratios of anyone here so it isn't exactly surprising. :D

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/in-sixth-grade-math/ratio-and-proportion/introduction-ratios/v/introduction-to-ratios-new-hd-version

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

never tabulated my word count to knowledge ratio, let alone estimated how low it is. guess that precludes 77 fellowship :(

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 30, 2016 10:20 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah sorry, i'm bad at math and got it backwards. i meant to say "one of the lowest knowledge-to-word-count ratios", meaning you are often very verbosely full of shit. but never change, it takes all kinds, etc.

i mean we're all dumb to an extend but it takes a special spirit to go on at length anyways.

I'll take it!

you're the best.

we should get high some time

i hope you guys have a good time

sorry, mr. map. never knew how word-county exclusive the love of everything is. be seeing you :(

you should join us

i'd be there, but there's only so long you can persist excluded from 'the in board' before expectation totally deflates. which isn't to say though hey, hope you guys hit new highs

if man is 5, if man is 5

i'm not on 77 anymore fwiw and agree it has some boring and in-groupy elements but iirc it can be a good place to talk about things you don't want to be easily linked to your ilx account. josh in chicago has been around a long time though and there's been a lot of discussion about what 77 is on the main board and it seems he should at least kind of know what it is. i feel like i'm always seeing him say he doesn't know something and then drop 3 graphs about it anyway. i just think it's odd and find it annoying but w/e.

can't recall because i've never been invited to participate in 77 even though i've been clown-posting here for years turns out

So I will be receiving my medical marijuana card in the next week or so. this is an odd turn of events; I'm really not a smoker and I am a little wary of using this prescription but I've been dealing with chronic neck pain and muscle spasms for about 16 months so at this point I'll try anything.
I'm an NYC resident. anyone have any questions?

you can ingest instead of smoke, but edibles are pretty potent, so be cautious

NYC doesn't offer legal smokable weed actually; my understanding is the options are time release capsules (meh), fluid for vaping (uh uh) and sub lingual drops. Given that I'll likely take this before I go to sleep, as that's when the pain is worse (and has been kept in check till now with an evening cocktail of 800mg ibuprofen and muscle relaxers), I think the immediate relief option is the one I'll go for. It's apparently offered as three separate levels of THC/CBD potency and you're guided by the pharmacist as to what's most effective through trial and error. Insurance won't cover this and the doc suggested a monthly dose would likely run $130 out of pocket... which sucks but if it genuinely works I'll take it. There appears to only be one dispensary in Manhattan proper but, as it happens, it's 45 minutes away by subway. Further reports when my card shows up and I start trying to make appointments.

https://col-careny.com/faqs/

another thread for our "new friend"

Vaping fluid is very popular in legal states (and non-legal if you can find it) - an extract is made then mixed with propylene glycol or similar, the tank looks like the early e-cig things you could buy at corner stores.
I've tried those, if that's the form it works like a champ. Screw the tank onto a $5 e-cig battery and take veeeeeeery light drags to start with. You're getting a lot of THC in concentrated form, it's easy to overdo it.

Edibles are too variable for me - I made a batch of coconut oil and it would take an unpredictable number of hours to hit me. Currently have tincture drops in the fridge but I haven't tried it yet - the idea of putting 151 under my tongue is horrifying. I'll probably just dropper it into a glass of water or something.

THC is the more useful part for pain but a 1:1 THC:CBD mixture is good if you're worried about anxiety/paranoia - CBD blunts the anxiety response some people have to THC. Higher CBD than THC (like the 20:1 products for epilepsy, etc.) don't get you high and while there's a body relaxation effect I don't think it would be useful for pain.

re: variable time - first two times I tried the coconut oil effects were minor but then I went to sleep. Increased the dose by 2 more ml, went to bed an hour later THEN woke up 3 hours later higher than I have been in my entire life. Still sort of high the next morning. For some reason it wasn't hitting for 4 hours, maybe my digestion is fucked.

We had made the coconut oil a few times and unpredictable is right. Sometimes it would come on in under an hour. Sometimes I'd be sitting there for three hours feeling like I'd wasted my time when it would finally start creeping up on me. I like the high much better than smoking it though.

I've been researching the whole thing for my crohns and finding it pretty confusing. I guess I don't need my gastroenterologist to be on board with the idea, but I do need some kind of statement of diagnosis from her. But who actually prescribes the shit for me? A doctor at the one place that exists in Manhattan?

Jon, let's talk. I can recommend the pain management doctor who helped me get the prescription.
Basically all you need is a referral from someone who is certified to put you in the program and there's only a few in the city. I have a list and we can see who takes your insurance... or you can ask your gastro explicitly to place you with someone who can.

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what the hell are they smoking in new hampshire

given all the car wrecks we've had in this country, why on earth should we be giving people bikes?

It's just wishful thinking abt something I p sure I will never see in my lifetime anyway.

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Who's the one dweeb who voted nay?

it was the fuzz

it was someone in new hampshire. one time they know someone who smoked a bowl and immediately jumped out of a window because they thought they could fly

in the middle of that sentence someone asked me a question and i decided to just keep typing and let jesus take the wheel with the post. goddammit jesus

Does weed help with crohn? Asking for two friends. Both have it. Just seems an awful thing to have. :-(

Also the one who voted no: learn to hit the correct answer.

Yes

It has helped my crohns symptoms baseline and quelled flare ups when I have taken extra. I don’t know if it has done anything to the disease at a deeper level. Unfortunately it’s been over a month since I’ve been able to afford it (1:1 tincture is $210 a month in nyc)

let's talk about this sometime jon

Fuck the price is stupid high

Wtf. 210 dollars??? A shop just opened here. They sell med weed at 10/12 euros. Been trying to convince the two ppl suffering from crohn to go. Alas one can't due to religious reasons, the other fears it might influence the impact of other medicine her kid is taking. (Daughter is 20 yo)

can confirm it helps. obviously there are side effects. because it can potentially affect late brain development, i would be hesitant to push for someone younger than their mid-20s to use it regularly unless absolutely necessary.

Oh hell no. She's an adult. Wldnt recommend for a kid.

20 still too young for more-than-occasional use imo (he said hypocritically)

though if her current medication isn't sufficient it's certainly something to consider.

Her diagnosis is very recent though they now realize she's had it since she was 12. But it's sth to consider. Fuck Crohn. :-((((

it help relieve symptoms for sure (i used to use it when i otherwise could not leave my house, now on humira that's not as much as an issue and i mostly use it for pain relief + appetite) and the science isn't quite there yet (mostly they're researching its effects on crohn's in israel) but the anti-inflammation might help w/ the crohn's itself

As an anti-inflammatory, is it even as effective as ibuprofen? Or is the idea that it is less effective but less unhealthy?

I might have mentioned already, but since I had always heard about its benefits for those with glaucoma (which my mother in law takes medicine for) we found that you would pretty much have to be dosing with cannabis on a near non-stop basis to come close to the effects of Rx meds.

I'm really torn about legalization, at least in some regards. It should really be decriminalized, or at least no more criminalized than alcohol, but that kind of elides over the issue that alcohol is not particularly good for you. So it's def. hypocritical and stupid that cannabis is mostly illegal and alcohol isn't, but probably for the vast majority of people neither has many benefits and both have potential drawbacks, health or otherwise. Of course we have tried prohibition, and that didn't work, but there's something kind of ... off about making something at least potentially dangerous freely available just because you can't stop people from using it. It's like a rhetorical circle.

something at least potentially dangerous freely available just because you can't stop people from using it.

decriminalization cannot regulate the black market any more than prohibition can. even if you view it as a potentially dangerous drug, the fact that it cannot be effectively controlled in a black market means that at least a legal market allows us some small measure of regulation and control, and the state can collect taxes that may be used to offset potential harms.

Clearly you have a very low tolerance for apples.

I got paranoid that security would take it (I was probably already stoned) and ate the entire thing.

My dad famously did this while he was with some friends in college, I grew up with it as a cautionary tale. There were a group of them in a car going to a movie and my dad had a little hash that they were all going to smoke in the parking lot before going in. But they got pulled over on the way for something or other and my dad freaked out as the cop was approaching the car and ate the whole stash. With the result that he was practically catatonic through the movie while his friends were sadly sober.

doesn't it have to be decarbed first? this exact scenario happened in the beginning of Super Troopers and it always bugged me because I always thought just eating weed straight up wouldn't actually do anything. much less kick in 30 seconds later as it does in the movie. wonder if IMDB lists that under "goofs"

as a general rule I just don't eat anything homemade anymore unless I either make it myself or know the people who did have a low tolerance. my first edible experience involved a brownie which a frequent stoner friend of mine said knocked him on his ass...I figured I'd just eat a quarter. but when packing it up for the freezer a little corner fell out so I figured what the hell, eat it and see what happens. 30 minutes later I was pacing back and forth in the basement and Googling shit like "how long brohwnie last mijreaijana"

I drank mine down and within two minutes, I could tell I was coming up very rapidly and intensely.

lol yeah that sounds bad, I've never had it happen that fast but all the times I've gotten way way too high off an edible I've felt it coming on a lot quicker than I expected. when you start feeling high within 10 minutes it's a sign you're gonna have a bad time

that's insane, for a first timer I'd do 5, maybe 10 if they were an experienced smoker

Ha, no - the entire 8.5 oz bottle contained 100mg total, not per dose

so what's a dose then? one ounce?

ironically all the dispensaries I've been to in legal states you can't get edibles stronger than 10mg, whereas here in Wisconsin you can get 250mg bars of "legal D9" which may not actually be that strong but actually might be kind of close, you can really fuck yourself up

doesn't it have to be decarbed first?

Is that true for hash too? Probably I guess. Could be elaborated family lore. My takeaway from the story was not to lose the stash.

Do any of these THC derivatives/alternatives manage to do away with cottonmouth?

I once had to eat a j that a friend had pre-rolled for me. I know he added some additional ingredients to the flower. Definitely kief. Possibly hash as well? Anyway, two hours later I was deeply, deeply stoned.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states. I have overheard the conversation of Illinois (which is taxed out the wazoo) vs. Michigan (which is further away but dirt cheap) so many times. and the convo always turns to "man just think of how much we're losing in tax dollars from this". it's so idiotic. to make it even more ridiculous we have farm bill weed which is essentially hemp with some sort of THC spray (or HHC, or Delta 8, or THCo, or whatever the fuck they're doing now), the stuff works but you don't wanna bother with it if you can get the real thing.

however I do think the edibles are legit, the only law is they have to be less than 0.3% THC. but I think most edibles you get in legal states are probably even lower than 0.3% so all it does is make edibles legal but unregulated. now this is a problem because I think a lot of these places fudge the actual amount of THC you get. something that's listed as 15mg is probably more like 7mg, which to me is a good dose. unfortunately once you find something you like it gets pulled and replaced and you have to figure out the dosage again. which is surprisingly difficult!! anyway fun adventures in legal weed the other day when I found one product I liked was available at some liquor store, but when I opened it up the gummies looked to be about 50% bigger, which I assume meant they tinkered with the formula. but no - I think what happened is "15mg" actually means "15mg", and so I was so fuckin zooted. twas a good time (eventually) but yeah I don't know why we can't just get the real thing!

The German cannabis law passed the Bundesrat today. It‘s legal to smoke pot in Germany starting April 1st… no, seriously.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states
I assure you, you are not

Man, yeah, the price difference between buying in Illinois versus Michigan is absolutely nuts. I was shocked the last time we were in Michigan and walked out with probably 5x what we'd get in Illinois for the same cost.