ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)

i think it's because to me jack rose kind of excised a lot of the european classical knowledge which fahey was obviously well-versed in

feel like we need to get the #GuitarDads hashtag trending
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always gotta be a Taylor or an Ovation

this is the cover of my debut fingerpicking album FYI
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global - you got a pro axe for your show friday? gotta step up in the club with one of these, show 'em you mean business

http://www.sweetwater.com/images/guitars/CE444/CCV1411610/CCV1411610-body-large.jpg

You guys are joking but I'd give my right arm for one of those Froggy Bottom guitars Ackerman plays. Sounds like it was designed to just naturally emit the Lexicon 224 reverb sound from the dang soundhole. Swoooooon

but yeah it's a total rich dad guitar

the ceo of our company is into guitar so we talk shop some, he has a rainsong guitar it's made of carbon fiber and graphite he says you can stand on it or leave it outside in the rain and nothing would happen it's indestructible

i don't know why you would do those things but i guess it's nice to know you can

http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/resources/images/marketing/PG-Giveaways/Perspectives/RainSong-Survey-TOp.jpg

http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/resources/images/marketing/PG-Giveaways/Perspectives/RainSong-Survey-TOp.jpg

oh my goodness

i know you're a jack rose fan ogmor- what do you think of him as a 'composer'? i honestly feel he's a masterful interpreter player and he's among my favorites but composition-wise i don't think he has anything on the level of 'yellow princess', 'stomping tonight', 'lion', etc esp. since a lot of his longer pieces are more improvisatory (all his raga stuff, 'red horse' etc)

i think it's because to me jack rose kind of excised a lot of the european classical knowledge which fahey was obviously well-versed in

― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:13 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think their differences are more revealing than what they had in common.

I remember an interview where Jack Rose had said that when he first heard Fare Forward Voyagers he'd thought it was improvised, and that had completely blown his mind. He came at the same territory from a different direction, hearing it, initially at least, as an improviser would: as something much freer and spontaneous than a Great/bloated composition with an introduction so reverential that it goes on 3/4 of the length of the piece.

To use a Faheyism I think Jack Rose was drawn into Fahey on the vibrational level, and the appeal of the possibilities of the technique & the loose forms used by Fahey and Basho. The time and scene Jack Rose was playing in shaped him hugely, just as Fahey & Basho's shared goal of turning the steel string guitar into a concert instrument affected the manner of their playing. But the raw sound, the command of the right hand - Jack Rose totally understood it and knew what he could do with it. Rose's thumb is very similar to Fahey's, the strength and control, & he was closest to early 70s Fahey - High Fahey- except Rose reversed Fahey's route downriver from the delta to the Ganges.

It was technique again that drew him further back in time to e.g. Blind Blake (although the structure of the ragtime stuff is comparatively formalist, he excelled though, the limits suited him - like my dad always says 'it's the bottle that makes the genie so strong') and his playing was just always getting better. He was a hugely enthusiastic disciple and the way he covered, quoted, copied etc. felt celebratory. He was hugely versatile, played a very wide array of styles, but rather than the more reflective, aware & ironic sensibility of Fahey, it was a huge sense of vitality, presence & immanence in his playing which pulled everything together. He had an ear for pitch and texture that Fahey didn't, and his slide playing was operating on a completely different level to anything Fahey or anyone vaguely in that ballpark attempted. He didn't have Fahey's compositional sense, that same reservoir of tunes, his laconic lyrical sensibility, all those hours listening to Russian composers etc. They always had separate methods, aims and energies, and only a small portion of what they did really has enough in common to compare, and yeah, those classic 60s Fahey pieces are a way off what JR was up to.

I'd love to know what Fahey would have made of Rose's playing. It was so close in time, but I suspect it was only possible for Rose's relationship with Fahey's playing to unfold as it did without the old man around, I think his absence gave Jack more freedom. The big tree has to fall...

It's as simplistic a belief as they come but I think the guitar is always a force for good in the world. Even the most aesthetically crippled of guitar dads is still enriched by his encounters with the collective guitar subconscious.

great post, ogmor

agreed, also amused by "guitar dad"

A thought I forgot to include: Obviously it's a duo and it doesn't have the same compositional virtues but Linden Avenue Stomp has got the same exultant hard-driving swing as the Yellow Princess and it’s the only thing I can think of from the last 50 years (!) of guitarists deploying Faheyisms that actually gets to that level. The raw sound, the massive impact of the clean syncopation, Glenn Jones’ bass line is the punchiest & bluesiest thing I’ve ever heard him do (a good look for him), and the way Jack Rose lingers on the slide, teases you with it, relishes it with you, shows how complete his control. It sets out JR’s stall so well, lodges him firmly in a certain lineage and I think there’s no way Fahey could have failed to appreciate it. It always sounded so pure to me, and hit me so hard when I heard it, even just thinking about it now makes my heart ache with gratitude for its existence. It showed in a Faheyless world that those heights could still be scaled. If I had to save one piece of guitar playing from the last 30 years it would be that.

from a Buenos Aires folk scene report on Bandcamp today, p cool stuff

https://dientedemadera.bandcamp.com/releases

Jonah Schwartz quickly made his mark on the folk music scene after moving to Buenos Aires from New Jersey over a decade ago, playing mandolin in Los Alamos and acting as one half of the folk duo Springlizard. He lists minimalist composter La Monte Young, Hindustani classical singer Pandit Pran Nath, and Appalachian-influenced drone banjoist Nathan Bowles as the main influences for this most recent project.

banjo + tambura sounds promising ...

and yeah -- ogmor is otm about Linden Ave Stomp, that one always seems so perfectly composed and rendered.

Wow, you folks have been busy. Good stuff. I played "Linden Ave Stomp" about 4 times in a row the other day btw. Something in the air I guess ....

:)

Hey guys, I wanted to bring this up while we're still giving love to "Linden Ave Stomp":

Jack Rose & D. Charles Speer & The Helix - Linden Ave Stomp
hxxps://youtube.com/watch?v=UGdkSZ6lzHY

Did anyone else dig this album when it came out posthumously back in 2010? Surprisingly I haven't thought too much about it in a couple years but came across it again riffling through my records. It's got some great New Riders of the Purple Sage/Link Ray Three Track Shack tones and this electric version of Linden Ave is always a good time. Their version of "In the Pines" is a nice good-time-vibe track too.

Never really got why the Speer band wasn't more popular (relatively speaking). Great players, really good songs, excellent live band, excellent records...what gives?

Super happy to see that William Tyler added a Seattle date, it had looked like he was going Portland-Vancouver when I checked last week. I've been listening to the live at Third Man album and it's so lovely. Interesting that the Graceland 2 incident turns up in the between song banter, there's a song about it on a recent Parquet Courts album as well.

is he with Margo Price in Seattle or solo?

he's w/ Margo in Portland. what a bill. kind of a strange pairing, but still...

i don't mean solo, really. i just mean is Margo on the bill or not. obviously. OK...well, then

With Margo

been following/acquainted with this guy for a few years now, i think he's really hit a stride and find his upcoming release really enjoyable. thought i'd share- art by tony millionaire!

https://soundcloud.com/willcsorba/sets/because-i-was-flesh/s-liMwK

not out yet but preview playlist up

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7z3Wtgm6Ug&feature=youtu.be

Does Glenn Jones just keep getting better? New track

yeah that's great, i almost feel bad it's like he so consistently great it's almost like "ho hum another great glenn jones song"

his stuff feels so composed & well thought out compared to most other post fahey guys

Glenn is a gem (cue broken record ...). I actually get his songs stuck in my head all the time, which does not happen with a lot of solo guitar music of any kind. "Across the Tappan Zee" comes unbidden into my brain all the time and lodges itself there for hours. I am fine with this.

It's funny how recognizable his songs are, I think it's because he essentially reorders all of his Glenn Jones-isms to create new songs. I'll hear melodies from old songs altered or seemingly in a different key pop up here and there. I think all artists do this but I listen to Glenn so intently that his trademark quirks stand out to me.

My dbh LP came today. I like this album more every time I listen to it

New Bachman approaching on Three Lobed. Liking this one so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAeBSECwpy8&feature=youtu.be

Has kind of a strange cadence and approach to it once it gets going. Interested to see where the album goes.

looks like some subreddit got ahold of it. some interesting ummmm comments on the video

Dick Man13 minutes ago
lol this sucks
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Fag Enabler
Fag Enabler12 minutes ago
Agreed
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Joshua Conner
Joshua Conner11 minutes ago
Is this even music? Eww
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Fag Enabler
Fag Enabler12 minutes ago
Fucking garbage
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Master Ballsmith
Master Ballsmith11 minutes ago
THIS SUCKS SO BAD HAHA FUCK YOU
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i really like it though- interesting patterns going

damn master ballsmith

Hah hah hah. I can imagine Bachman getting a kick out of it. But yeah, the patterns were cool to me for sure.

whenever i stumble upon reddit, i end up being thankful for ILM
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i don't think ogmor is a big fan of bachman, maybe he made a bunch of troll accounts for the vid ;)

man, Xylouris/White were so good last night here in Eugene. got a major Sun City Girls vibe from a lot of what they were doing. They also played this subdued trance-inducing song from the 14th century that allegedly had 10,000 verses, they did the first 15. I listened to the records before the show, but ended up thinking that what they are doing live is even better.

I discussed the Dylan Nobel with Mr. White, he was all for it.

XW is so good -- and yeah, I like the records, but live they were transcendent.

a buddy of mine taped it, I will be in touch ;)

:D

email is tywilc AT gmail (ilx webmail is linked to an old account)

the d charles speer & helix & jack rose record has that good ramshackle bar band energy and is actually pretty rocking (esp in the pines), the rare thing ITT that you could dance to. speer&helix are an interesting evolutionary link between the 00s scene and the 10s one

i can't wait to see XW. i tried to get 1 of my bands a spot opening for them but it failed. i tried though! couldn't resist. that would be so dreamy.

(OT: ATTN Neal Cassady. I didn't realize you were a regular since you mostly hide out on this thread. Nagat: Arabic music (not elsewhere classified))

(And the guitar, which isn't there much, sounds like it could be Omar Khorshad.)