Fleetwood Mac – Mirage, C/D?

thanks for that!

― sleeve, Sunday, September 25, 2016

thank you!

Nearing the end of side b of this remaster. Things that stand out---

The many instances of recessed wordless backing harmonies sound more richly colored, like they're oils now instead of watercolors.

This record is so thickly populated with things that click and scrape! Every song has cluckings tappings thumpings most of which are coming from Lindsay's guitar and the attacks of all these little percussive sounds are so clear and palpable, like the abovementioned muted arpeggios on hold me: listen to that pick!

The worlds meekest one note organ sitting in the back of the room on only over you <3

remaster or no, how fantastic is "Gypsy"

how come Stevie's solo demo isn't on this thing

Buckingham heard about ILM's preference for Grimes' "Realiti" demo iirc

if someone had told me Oh Diane was Suicide i'd have believed them. it's a *total* Vega rip! he must have been a fan, i recall he liked his punk-y stuff?

you must think the Grease soundtrack also sounds like Suicide

lol

oh diane is a definite lowlight

gtfo

such an underrated album. also crucial eccojam sample material:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN0czUMRMU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukb_scv1Ao

The remaster does sound great !
also, after listening to this album again I realize there's only one song I don't like much : "Straight Back".
And I don't hate it. It's just meh but I can play the whole album without being bothered by that song.
All the rest is good/great (I don't really get the hate for "Oh Diane").

yah I thought "Straight Back" was the consensus Worst Song, but even the remaster flatters it.

remaster or no, how fantastic is "Gypsy"

― niels, Monday, September 26, 2016 4:16 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god yes

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/christine-mcvie-on-making-fleetwood-macs-mirage-new-lp-w441626

But Lindsey and I, we have plenty of songs. There are tons more in the bag that we have yet to record. And they're fantastic.

uuugggghhhh can't wait to hear this new stuff. of course we always think in terms of Buckingham/Nicks but for my money there is nothing better in the world than when Buckingham gets a hold of a McVie song. and how long has it been? "Only Over You" continues to floor me. so weird, so perfect. that lonely one note organ as Jon mentioned upthread, the bg vocals in the pre-chorus! so good.

can't hear any stevie on that track, unless she's just pushed way back on some "ohhh ohhhhh"s, but while I was trying to find a live clip I found this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0wRgTDv4Gg

re: the eccojam just upthread, jfc am I old. i'm only 31! and so, so old. vaporwave! wtf is that!

uuugggghhhh can't wait to hear this new stuff. of course we always think in terms of Buckingham/Nicks but for my money there is nothing better in the world than when Buckingham gets a hold of a McVie song. and how long has it been

otm

yeah and of course Buckingham and Nicks have some brilliant songs throughout FM's albums but I might consider Mc Vie songs as the most consistently interesting melodically/harmonically.

And here's Mick Fleetwood's interview.

"The fact that we're talking about it again is actually really cool," Fleetwood says of Mirage. "Because we ended up making a far better album than we gave ourselves credit for for many years."

Nice !
I was reading a MF interview earlier about their drugs issues and how he snorted alone something like 60 million$ worth of cocaine !

I love Oh Diane now. It conjures this certain feeling of weird 80s 50s stuff like John Waters and Twin Peaks.

Finally picked up the remaster. On first listen the biggest surprise to me is how gorgeous "Straight Back" turns out to be.

My rediscovery too.

Holy fuck is "That's Alright" a great song. They should've gone and made a straight-up 80s country album with that sound.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

Say You Will is the one I've been listening to the most recently, and I still think it's got some really strong stuff on it even though the record is more than a touch overlong and I miss McVie's songwriting and lead vocals (the opposite of Tango In The Night, where for me it didn't really matter that Nicks wasn't really "present" as McVie's and Buckingham's songs were so strong and Buckingham's production and arrangements were so OTM) - Anyway, I noticed on Say You Will that Buckingham and Nicks get 9 songs each, so since the album can be split so neatly into two I've found myself wondering how it would actually sound as a two disc set - one for each songwriter. Think I'll try that at some point.

Also, has there been any more news about the forthcoming Buckingham-McVie-really-should-be-a-Fleetwood-Mac album?

No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac.

My review of the reissue: https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2016/09/24/fleetwood-macs-mirage-sparkles-anew/

Also, has there been any more news about the forthcoming Buckingham-McVie-really-should-be-a-Fleetwood-Mac album?

I believe it'll be out this summer. For her part, Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album.

I was under the impression that Mick Fleetwood and John McVie owned the name "Fleetwood Mac" and therefore could dictate who could and couldn't be in the band?

What's interesting about Say You Will is how hard it is to separate Nicks and Buckingham's efforts in terms of quality - well, probably Buckingham has a bit better quality control, but - "Bleed To Love Her" aside - Nicks' highs are a little bit higher.

That's the biggest surprise of the album: that Nicks provided (or Buckingham coaxed from her) such a strong set of material after 16+ years of struggling on that front.

I love "Hold Me" and especially "Gypsy" - that one has always, in my head, sounded like some magical ethereal wonderland journey suggested by the best possible interpretation of the title.

"Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album."

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money? They certainly all still tour together (I saw them last year, and they were amazing).

like, she actually told people to just download her last solo album for free since it didn't matter

"No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac."

is that something that might have been introduced after they put out the godawful Time?

(actually I don't know that that album is godawful, I only listened to it once and never gave it another shake, but it struck me as negligibly Mac)

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money?

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

OK really? The artist who insisted on a piano in her hotel suite in 1980?

You can go back further than that - the fact that the band didn't disintegrate circa the recording of Rumours may have had a lot to do with two of the band members finally getting their lucky break (and plenty of money) and the other three members finally seeing some big success (and plenty of money) after years of trying to re-establish themselves post-Peter Green.

An artist who's a capitalist!

they could, you know, record an album without spending 100 million dollars on it

lotsa good advice for stevie itt

at the risk of ending this inspiring discussion here's the actual quote:

I don't think we'll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don't think there's any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn't going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn't all that much fun.

Sound fair enough to me.

Sad but true

Making a record isn't all that much fun.

Sure, not playing an instrument means she spends most of her time not doing anything when it's not her song. Maybe they could split the sessions into three parts and only work on one writer's songs at a time.

the only reason I bemoan their not doing another one is because Buckingham and NIcks' latest solo output has been really really good and I wouldn't mind hearing those songs with the Mac backing them.

Finally hearing this. Definitely rocking my world atm - guess tango in the night next then?