Television

So, if you're a guitar nerd who worships someone like Allan Holdsworth, yeah, he prob is going to seem limited and technically unsophisticated maybe

Sure, but there's nothing "faux" about this. As far as I know, it's not like Verlaine could play like Holdsworth and is dumbing himself down, let alone self-consciously. The quote was vaguely remembered and second-hand though so.

Second party anyway

Tbh Lloyd outpaces Verlaine in a way that would be more appealing to conventional guitar mag types..Verlaine is Verlaine (which is great)

yeah lloyd is the chops side of the equation (though Verlaine in the 80s occasionally sounds pretty chopsy).

the left-brain/right brain - lloyd/verlaine split is my favourite thing about television - they play together so beautifully despite their totally different approaches to guitar (i remember lloyd saying something to the effect that he could always play the same thing perfectly over and over again while verlaine could never play the same thing twice).

i really enjoy some of their solo work but there's something alchemical about the way they play together. and volatile too - the only time i've ever seen them live verlaine was visibly angry at some minor infraction committed by lloyd and it really soured the whole gig

the only time i've ever seen them live verlaine was visibly angry at some minor infraction committed by lloyd and it really soured the whole gig

Yes, much the same thing happened the first time I saw Television live (at the Tortoise-curated ATP) - but I think it gave the performance an energy (negative or otherwise) that was pretty compelling to witness. A number of years later I saw Verlaine and Rip play a duo show together - Tom was in a far happier mood, and some of his playing was exquisite, but Rip was much more of an support, much less of a foil - or a spur - than Lloyd.

My guitar nerd friend is more the collect 78s sort. Xpost

slightly off topic but how amazing is it that matthew sweet got both lloyd and robert quine to play on girlfriend, even if not together?

it's like leftfield guitar hero fantasy football

Is Television the most uncerachieving band ever? They would have to be in the running.

it's like leftfield guitar hero fantasy football

ha! christ. what a dude. what a rolodex.

Is Television the most uncerachieving band ever? They would have to be in the running.

they don't have a huge, widely-popular back catalogue and tom verlaine probably doesn't have a yacht he can berth on the amalfi coast next to bono's but they're still drawing crowds around the world 43 years after they formed and they've been influential critical darlings since the start so i'd have to say... no

the most underachieving band ever is, by definition, all-but-unidentifiable

i guess i'd be more interested in finding out how the band feel about touring on just three recorded albums' worth of material, with the most widely-appreciated stuff from an album that is 39 years old. does it get boring? do they wish they'd recorded more? would they do it if they didn't need the money? do they need the money?

don't know the answer to those questions, but here's what fred smith does when he's not bass-ing for Television: http://cereghinosmith.com/

awesome - i love it when rock stars age and start getting into esoteric shit, like roger daltrey's fish farm or neil young's model train obsession. and lincvolt. and pono.

Saw an interview where Verlaine said that if Jimmy Rip was living near him, and not in Argentina now, that Jimmy would likely have encouraged him to record. Verlaine introduced one song as being one of his earliest tunes that never made it to a recording, and then added, maybe we will record it the next time we go into a studio.

Television has had new material in setlists since the early 00s (as I've probably noted before in this very thread), but it seems like Verlaine is deeply disinterested in actually putting any of it out. Crazy that his last solo record is a decade old now. That old tune he mentioned is "I'm Gonna Find You" the original of which you can find on that Season In Hell comp. It's good!

Their new record, per Ripp, is pretty much tracked but does not have finished vocals. This was the state of things like... 2 years ago? I'm not holding my breath but I'm not hopeless either.

x-post --Can't remember where I read that, but I also saw this Jimmy Rip interview:

And are you working on anything new?
The first year I was in the band we recorded like seventeen songs that are still sitting on a hard drive. I think Tom pulls them out every once in a while and works on them a little bit. They sound really good, they sound just like Television. We're just waiting for Tom to finish them. There's a really good record there, we play a couple of new songs every show.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/jimmy-rip-new-york-punk-legends-television

They've been doing that long "Persia" song for awhile now

ha, yeah that song is 20 years old now!
i'd welcome a new Television album ... I like all their records.

new album, reportedly? called "sleep all day"? on RedMusic/SuperEgo?

unless the post to the television forum was an april fools joke? in which case, i took the bait.

I'm assuming it's a 4/1 thing until proven otherwise

Check it tomorrow.

haha, yeah, probably a april fools joke ...
however, i think this is real:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8RZZrgW0AA6QOb.jpg:large
http://www.everythingiscombustible.com/

Funny that , just listening to a Tom Verlaine '84 show when I saw this thread.
Also just been reminded that there was a book about the band that came out about 10 years ago. & I'd stuck it on my Amazon wish list then forgotten about it until a couple of days back.
Sonic Transmission by Tim Mitchell. Anybody read it? Is it any good?

I belatedly thought of checking for sonic transmissions on the kindle store and it's on there (last time I looked for it I was on a Nook). I downloaded the free sample chapter. Will report back. Apprently there's a missing chapter from the kindle edition though?

i haven't read it -- i picked it up in a bookstore a long time ago and was kind of annoyed by the pages I read (can't remember why though). maybe i was just in a bad mood. Bryan Waterman's 33 1/3 on Marquee Moon is probably the best thing I've read on the band.

yeah that and the television section in From the Velvets to the Voidoids

new album, reportedly? called "sleep all day"? on RedMusic/SuperEgo?

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Don't know about an April1, more likely a speculative from (quite a few) years ago.

that should be a good read. he's supposed to be one really weird dude

lloyd? yeah the memoir should be bonkers.

i paid for lloyd's 'alchemical guitarist' tutorial videos a while back and they're totally incomprehensible but clearly he's spent a lot of time and energy on this occult system of music. wish i could get on his wavelength.

I "follow" Lloyd on Facebook and he's a, uh, unique character

my friend took lessons with him for a couple of years here and he definitely garnered a lot from it

i see he's playing at bowery electric pretty soon

meanwhile
http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/richard-hell-confessions-of-a-book-collector-9824490

It only took me six years to get around picking up the 33-1/3 book. I kind of got burned out on that series as too many were dull slogs for me, including Lethem's Fear of Music. This one is great though. I like how part of it is investigative research to show the conflicting differences in the various accounts, interviews, oral histories and myth making.

So looks like Richard Lloyd has a new book out

I read Lloyd's book. Lots of funny stories about his escapades--the best one involves his driving a car up on a sidewalk, getting the front wheel caught somehow on a wire and having the car hang perpendicular. His account of making Marquee Moon is really good, and in general it's fine. He discounts the third Television album, but I think it sounds great these days and the live footage I've seen of them playing that material is just great, and saw them in NYC on that tour in '92. Saw him play Nashville--he lives in Chattanooga now--last summer and also thought he was superb, tho he can't exactly sing. I even like Rosedale, his last solo album, kinda has a basic rock 'n' roll edge that reminds me of late Hendrix and, on some cuts, ZZ Top if they'd been junkies in the Bowery in 1977. Quite credible album.

Thanks. Wonder how it will stack up next to Grant & I

I have tickets to see him in New Haven in a few months. I have no idea what to expect.

I like the third TV album a great deal.

Why Rosedale? It’s not named after place in Queens is it?

I always thought his tune “Misty Eyes” was based on “Love Is Strange” by Mickey and Sylvia.

On Lloyd's Facebook page, someone posted : Terry Ork was such a Genius & very much ahead of his time ! Richard , can you shed some light on what it was like to work with him ???

His response: Just read my book, with an Amazon link.

He also posts Youtube videos of musicians he likes such as blues guitarist Magic Sam.

Why Rosedale? It’s not named after place in Queens is it?

I always thought his tune “Misty Eyes” was based on “Love Is Strange” by Mickey and Sylvia.

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i think it's a reference to "crossroads" as done by the cream

Guys, Rosedale is a town in Mississippi, in the delta, on the river. Down Highway 1. It's in Robert Johnson's song. Lloyd's album is quite listenable--the songs are good and the playing really is "Dolly Dagger"-era Hendrix gone gaga. He did all of side 1 of Marquee Moon. Lloyd's one of the most free-jazz of electric guitarists but he keeps it such control. He even did "Number Nine" and "Thought You Wanted to Know." I'd seen him w/ Television and with Rocket from the Tombs, so it was just great to stand close and watch his hands. The only mistake in his book I found is "Fred Marr" for "Fred Maher," so I assume it was dictated--but who was reading the proofs? I'm with Alfred Soto, though, the third TV album is underrated. I'm also a fan of Verlaine's schneideries and find him droll and wonderful--Dreamtime is a marvelous album, one of the most New York records ever made.

that is, he did Marquee when I saw him in 2017.