I know you are all too damn cool for the 2005 Grammy Awards; but don't you think they deserve a little thread action anyway?

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I don't find Usher particularly sexy myself, but I really don't see how Usher and JT vary in this regard aside from pigment and poise. The relation between those two is a lot less than Usher and Fabio.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

a lot closer, I mean

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think JT is that sexy either. He looks kind of like he has the mange.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

and Usher's falsetto breaks in "Confessions, pt. 2" and "Burn" actually feel deft and emotionally gripping rather than awkward battiness like in "Like I Love You" (though frankly I'm not surprised that some critics prefer the batty), so when I say "poise" I'm referring to both vocally and physically.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

And I enjoy the battiness too. I've sung "Like I Love You" at karaoke cuz its fun as hell and a friend rapped the Clipse part as if it was Jad Fair on a PCP jag.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I just like the JT singles more than any Usher track - and I'm sure they'd be something different, maybe even better, if Usher sang them - since people keep saying his voice is technically superior.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost: Al, remind me who produced "U Don't Have To Call" again?)

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), February 15th, 2005.

doing one single with the Neptunes =/= doing half an album with the Neptunes and having Pharrell appear with you in a bunch of videos. at least as far as what's going to buy you more critical goodwill.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearly no one here has seen the Behind the Music where there's this great "OH NO HOW WILL WE MARKET USHER" moment. They've been sexing up his image as much as possible for years. Maybe that's why it seems so plastic and creepy to me.

I am also very disappointed that the Grammys had very little Lil Jon. Did they tie him down or something?

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I was also wondering where he was.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"a friend rapped the Clipse part as if it was Jad Fair on a PCP jag"

you're getting too critico-poetic here, anthony.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I tried to tell my wife that Usher was funny-looking. She shot me the ice grill and said "Dude, he's sexy." My daughter thinks he's cute. Outvoted by his target audience!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I just coined the term "critico-poetic," by the way.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a good term, tim, but I can TOTALLY see/hear that karaoke performance in my mind.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

so why are you surprised that people find usher sexless, then, even though lots of other people don't? how does one contradict the other?

Because people use their personal opinion ("I don't find Usher sexy") to contradict observed data (when Usher drops trou and rubs himself, many people in the audience react in a manner that could best be described as an en masse shout of "YUM YUM GIMME SOME"). My position is not the one which is attempting to contradict observed results.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not saying that Usher doesn't do "Sexy" things, but I am saying that I don't think he really means it. I find it odd, and some others find it creepy. I mean, it's like Debbie Gibson in Playboy. I'm sure a lot of people will pleasure themselves to it, but that doesn't mean it's not odd/creepy.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

INVOKE THE CREEPY
http://www.celebrites-selection.com/photos_copper/albums/wpw-51/Usher%20Raymond%20photo%2010.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha spence he totally means it, dude's a dog

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Given that I've agreed with the assessment that Usher looks like a turtle, I would hope people would realize that I don't think he's the pinnacle of Mandingodom, either.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"YUM YUM GIMME SOME"

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000IWIA.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― langsty (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

This is not to say that Usher is actually sexless, it's just that his act doesn't seem like his own personal expression - I think he's more naturally maybe a crooner/soulman type. He seems like a really cool person and I'm sure hanging out with him would be fun (I think hanging with JT would be annoying).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I totally hear expressiveness in Usher's stuff, sometimes to a fault (I truly believe the guy thinks he should be respected for being "man enough to tell you" he knocked up somebody behind your back).

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"My position is not the one which is attempting to contradict observed results. "

whose is? where are all these people on this thread who have said "no one finds usher sexy"? i must have missed them, so please point them out to me.

― live from turkmenistan, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you heard of a concept called implication?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"Justin has a stronger falsetto but the aforementioned tightness gives it a really unpleasant, uncomplimentary edge."

that's impossible; you're merely embracing your minority stance by contradicting the millions of justin fans who find his falsetto completely pleasant. how dare you express such a perverse opinion?

― live from turkmenistan, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

That will be a valid argument when vocal pedagogues start posting to ILM praising the free and open production evident in Justin's falsetto.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(feel free to try to continue to "catch me out"; I'm planning on ignoring you now)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Justin has a stronger falsetto but the aforementioned tightness gives it a really unpleasant, uncomplimentary edge."

that's impossible; you're merely embracing your minority stance by contradicting the millions of justin fans who find his falsetto completely pleasant. how dare you express such a perverse opinion?

You guys are talking about Justin Hawkins of the Darkness, right?

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

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