agreed. the grayness of the plot and the legal and social limbo that the characters hang in is something that I feel it did well. too many crime/legal drama shows hang on the idea that there's some resolution, but with this show there's the acknowledgment that the nature of life is changing and nothing's resolved, no one is healed, and eventually all you can hope to do is to accept that everything is conflicted. the last scene is the closest we get to outright good and it's played against what could be a really cringe-worthy moment. (no spoilers)
it was really obvious what was going on with john turturro's character but the acknowledgment in the last episode was good
― mh 😏, Monday, 29 August 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
I even think the parts of the last two episodes that most commenters have disdained (no spoilers but if you've seen you know what I mean) weren't set up perfectly but they pointed to something rather poignant about the character and their lack of suitability for the system they are working in.
― ryan, Monday, 29 August 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link
critics and commenters seem to have legitimate problems with pace and plotting and preferences about how things should be revealed and combine the two for the sake of creating one "why this show is bad" argument and it annoys me. this show is one case, but it's true of a lot of television.
― mh 😏, Monday, 29 August 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
"I don't like how they did scripted it" and "they didn't actually do this in the plot" are two different things
― mh 😏, Monday, 29 August 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
The Night Of followed the trajectory of immense highs followed by cringeworthy lows similar to Lost or Twin Peaks but was thanfully only limited to a single 8 episode run.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
^ that's the most "i guess i WILL watch this then" recommendation i've heard for that show yet.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
lol
― Nhex, Monday, 29 August 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
Trayce I've just been watching s7 of Community. Didn't really feel it although it had some good lols
Community has 7 seasons???
― Quarter measures (sunny successor), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link
anyone catch Gomorrah?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 4 September 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
yeah i watched both seasons, very stylish and violent fun. An improvement on the overrated movie imo.
― calzino, Sunday, 4 September 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
Watching on a weekly basis: Difficult People, You're the Worst (First ep of season three was excellent!), Eric Andre, PBS Newshour, reruns of Billy on the Street, Adam Ruins Everything, Inside Comedy, The Wire (finally finishing season 5; got through what I think is my fourth rewatch of the whole series this summer... gf's first time through)
Sorta kinda embarrassedly but still consistently watching if I'm being honest: Last Week Tonight, Hard Knocks, Vice Principals, Tonight Show, Late Show, Conan, Kimmel, Any Given Sunday
Accumulating/accumulated more or less a full current season and am beginning to wonder if I'm gonna get around to it once I finally finish rewatching season 5 of The Wire: Mr. Robot, The Night Of, The Great British Baking Show, Roots
Back on shortly and sure to be in regular rotation: Full Frontal, NFL, Jeopardy, Adventure Time, Frontline, Inside the NFL
Back on shortly and I suppose I'll watch an episode or two to see if it's any better: Masters of Sex
New shows (or shows I'm opting into this season) that i have added to season pass to be taped: Superstore, Gomorrah, Atlanta, Queen Sugar, Better Things, Loosely Exactly Nicole, Mary and Jane, From Dusk Till Dawn: The Series, Quarry, Son of Zorn, High Maintenance, Legends of Chamberlain Heights, High Maintenance, The Circus: Inside the Greatest Political Show On Earth, The Good Place, Westworld No Tomorrow, Divorce, Insecure
Top twenty or so films/docs waiting to be watched: Fast Workers (Tod Browning), Sawdust and Tinsel (Bergman), In the Heart of the Sea, Contempt (Godard), Spirits of the Dead (Fellini), Brooklyn, King George, Koko: The Gorilla Who Talks, Meet the Donors, 5 episodes of American Experience on US Presidents, Three Extremes, 5 films from TCMs Pioneers of African-American Cinema series
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
Oh, forgot the pile of netflix and amazon and hulu shows on the way as well, most prominently:One Mississippi, Fleabag, Crisis in Six Scenes, Transparent, Luke Cage... and we gotta retry Jessica Jones and tackle s.2 of Daredevil yet
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:50 (seven years ago) link
re netflix: just finished new bojack season, thought it was great. watched stranger things just like everyone else. watched 3rd season of magi and liked this enough to go back to first season which i've never seen. SHINDOBATTO!
re the other network i watch: catching up on all the steven universes i fell behind on (that show is great), eric andre, new brad neely is... ok, embarrassed to admit i've been watching MDE: WP.
bailed on UNREAL after the shooting ep. bailed on Mr. Robot after s02e01.
― Mordy, Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link
i finished the first season of bojack, still not sure what everyone's raving about. Amy Sedaris makes everything better of course. Is it notably better in season two?Stranger Things is now deep backlog.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
iirc i liked bojack from the beginning so if it hasn't clicked for you it might not - but that said the second and third seasons are substantial improvements
― Mordy, Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
i was lured into it (after watching the first ep when it first aired and hating it) after the ridiculous cultural acclaim but i remain confused.thus far it feels like a half-step up from American Dad and that's a hell of a low bar.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
bailed on Mr. Robot after s02e01.
Excellent choice.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
s2 is where the show really locks into place, the acclaim will seem way less dissonant when you finish that one imo
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:13 (seven years ago) link
ctrl-f "last chance U"
― self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
although both it and you're the worst have made me permanently tired @ "this show nails depression" thinkpieces
(you're the worst does it better than bojack imo, bojack relies upon a lot of "oh this is what's happening to me mentally right now" exposition)
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
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genuinely surprised that difficult people is supposed to be good, one of the worst first episodes I've ever suffered through
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
i've seen a lot of the bojack is about depression think pieces but while i think that's present it's more about the malaise + vapidity of american culture and the numbing, alienating effect it produces in ppl horses
― Mordy, Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
i like difficult people a lot! it should be noted that the humor that works for me with it is both nycentric and queer.... kinda the same as what the first / second seasons of Girls and Broad City did for me.
I will say that the bojack acid trip episode was surprisingly good. If the second season lives up to that promise, I could see wanting to continue.
You're the Worst is super good and super smart imo. I will probably try the mascot netflix show too.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
it's more about the malaise + vapidity of american culture and the numbing, alienating effect it produces in ppl horses
this is a great obvservation
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 September 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
Masters of Sex season premiere is streaming online now, airs on TV in one week - just watched it and it's good in all the same ways the show's been good thus far, and bad in all the same ways it's been bad thus far (still waiting for Libby Masters to get run over by a garbage truck).
Looking forward to the season premiere of Shameless - binged that one this summer and was extremely pleasantly surprised by it.
Not at all sure I'll watch season 3 of Empire; might check in on the premiere just to see who died in the cliffhanger finale.
Want to see Pamela Adlon's new thing on FX, and Atlanta, and season 3 of You're The Worst, but not sure I want to pay for any/all of them (via Amazon).
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 4 September 2016 23:46 (seven years ago) link
I thought "The Night Of" had its own thread?
"Show Me A Hero" got one FFS - "It's essentially a six hour lecture on zoning regulations" - David Simon's Show Me A Hero
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 5 September 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link
Braindead is fun but very obviously doomed, it's like the Kings got so bored from 7 years of making a hit show that they decided to make a really oddball one they knew would appeal to almost no one.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 September 2016 03:40 (seven years ago) link
i love aaron tveit so much i would watch him eat cereal
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 September 2016 04:58 (seven years ago) link
The Night Of's implosion was epic
― pinkhushpuppies (rip van wanko), Monday, 5 September 2016 08:24 (seven years ago) link
SIN BAD
― Number None, Monday, 5 September 2016 09:57 (seven years ago) link
Aside from The Wanderers, all the Richard Price novels I've read (Lush Life, Samaritan, The Whites) have had really unconvincing endings, so I guess that's a Price specialty. But they're terrific up until those points.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 5 September 2016 10:44 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, it wasn't just about the ending though. It started losing the plot around episode 3
― Number None, Monday, 5 September 2016 11:26 (seven years ago) link
Agreed - once Omar turned up, the prison stuff got theatrical and silly quite fast. Still - I super enjoyed it! Just dialled my expectations down a bit. In retrospect the whole show was pretty trope-y from the moment the girl gets into the cab.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 5 September 2016 11:57 (seven years ago) link
And I like that Price is unfraid to try daft things (the undertaker, the itching, the cat stuff) and seeing where they lead (if not always to successful places)
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 5 September 2016 12:04 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, there's generally at least one bizarre character trait/subplot in his books
― Number None, Monday, 5 September 2016 12:07 (seven years ago) link
haha okay we're halfway through the last episode of The Night Of and lol wtf is even happening
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:06 (seven years ago) link
I actually thought the last episode was fine.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
poor john turturro, poor unwanted cat! also this show is taking FOREVER
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:56 (seven years ago) link
will somebody tell me if rizzoli and isles finally do it in the series finale
― j., Tuesday, 6 September 2016 02:05 (seven years ago) link
give 'er the ol' rizzoli, m i rit
(i have no idea what rizzoli and isles is about and a quick google suggests i should probably not hit submit but since when has that stopped me, #postsVMIcharacter #solitarypoststhatsumupilx #patriarchy)
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link
last ep of The Night Of was my favorite of the series and, in some ways, redescribes the show as a whole as not about "justice" but the presumption of innocence (a "feeling" as Stone says) in a really moving way, i thought. kinda baffled why people think it shit the bed somehow.
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 03:22 (seven years ago) link
single female lawyer losing her damn mindretired cop chasing down one last leadall so we can get to a ...hung juryit wasn't bad per se but definitely sort of a "and all the details...don't actually matter" letdown after the incredibly well tuned first half of the series - and no bonus points for dragging it all way the fuck out
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 03:27 (seven years ago) link
does the r+i romance ever go beyond subtext / fan shipping?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 03:43 (seven years ago) link
that seems to be an ontological question
― j., Tuesday, 6 September 2016 03:48 (seven years ago) link
lol, after the scene in Narcos when Escobar's henchman says "the wood is too wet to burn boss" you just know he is going to be burning a big stack of money next.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 09:05 (seven years ago) link
Watched the first two episodes of Narcos s2 last night after enjoying s1 a lot in a trashy way, but it seems to be literally more of the same and rather tired now. Though I did love Pablo's jumpers/sweaters.
― chap, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 11:24 (seven years ago) link
has anyone watched "the kettering incident"? my friend just recommended it to me
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
Season 2 of Narcos gets very compelling from about ep 4 onwards, it is still basically trash - but an improvement on S1 imo.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
the exploitative nature of that show makes it kind of unwatchable for me but i guess you could levy the same complaint at breaking bad
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link