Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

I'm just happy it won't be in the Abrams stupidverse.

Oh, I misread the article. It's not 10 years before Enterprise, it's 10 years before TOS.

I still agree w you about post-Voyager being better - don't like the prospect of more Easter Eggs in a pre-TOS show (ooh there's Sarek or T'Pol or Mudd or whoever)

10 years pre-TOS probably means Battlestar: Garth of Izar

TNG-era Trek is the real Trek to me, but still, shit, this is Trek on TV (or thereabouts) and not in the Abramsverse and that is totally excites

It'd be funny if they make the sets, special effects, makeup, etc really cheesy since it's pre-TOS.

It should be in black and white

yeah i'm surprised at their insistence at relating everything new they make these days to TOS when TNG might be more definitive for most of the audience

damn old-timers

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i certainly will, gotta offset the TOS-only voters

"yeah i'm surprised at their insistence at relating everything new they make these days to TOS when TNG might be more definitive for most of the audience"

exactly, plus, it's not like we're likely to get any more TNG movies so why not give that cast a chance to do a cameo or two again?

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Isn't this a different story every season? Maybe season 2 will be Old Worf or something.

There's a lot to like about that different story every season idea. Except that season one of TNG, VOY, DS9 and ENT all kind of sucked...

http://arstechnica.com/staff/2016/08/why-does-the-star-trek-franchise-keep-returning-to-its-origins/

tl,dr the short answer is because the original series is iconic, popular, and highly valuable piece of intel prop

like more valuable, recognizable, famous w broader appeal than any other ST property

TNG had some bizarrely robust restraint in keeping the TOS nostalgia in check for a while. If it were made today, they'd be putting Kirk's brain into the main computer as some kind of AI sidekick that makes sarcastic quips at Picard while he pilots some dune buggy with his drinking buddy Scotty.

the DS9 tribbles ep is the only good TOS throwback

There are some minor good ones like that TNG episode where "time becomes a loop" when it turns out to be Captain Frasier Crane, which was a ship from the 'movie' era of the original series.

Sarek and Spock's episodes of TNG were pretty good too. I guess that isn't a throwback more than having them as guest stars.

I really don't get why they didn't go with a TNG sequel myself. Having Picard as a ambassador and some of the other cast as Star Fleet big wig guest stars could be cool if done well.

If it were made today, they'd be putting Kirk's brain into the main computer as some kind of AI sidekick that makes sarcastic quips at Picard while he pilots some dune buggy with his drinking buddy Scotty.

I remember examining a Trek novel once that sounded pretty much like this. It was the most bonkers version of Trek I could have fathomed. Luke Skywalker may have made an appearance.

This is...an odd sentence that I didn't expect Annalee to write:

This period also offers narrative comfort food for fans, reminding them of the "good old days" of the show before everybody got so uptight about the Prime Directive and started worrying about post-colonial politics on Bajor and other developing worlds.

uh...wasn't this like half the point of TNG/DS9, and what led to the quality of those shows? Figuring out ethics and morality when encountering strange new shit? And that an explicitly stated desire to return to some actiony TOS that led to Enterprise?

well put

Regardless of what this new Trek is like, I've just resigned myself that there is never going to be a more utopian scifi TV show ever again. Just the same rehashing of the ragtag bunch, on a decrepit ship, cowboying it throughout the galaxy in a dystopian universe.

TNG: too good for this world

lol the Enterprise tv show was both past and future because instead of just skirting around the prime directive for plot devices they leaned heavily on THE TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE

imo the last season of Enterprise was better because the really weird, heavy-handed directions on what they could and couldn't do were finally weakened

they wasted most of the show's run on some temporal cold war thing that was hot garbage

Weird when Mass Effect becomes the thing more Star Trek than actual Star Trek, as it were. Do the studio heads(and some fans, it seems) just want Battlestar in a Starfleet uniform?

Hell, the reboot movies were Star Wars flicks on a Federation starship, but I always attributed that to Abrams _really_ wanting to do SW and grabbing any genre funding to do so.

On original broadcast, Enterprise lost me after about 3 episodes and I never went back.

Watching the whole thing last year finally, I have to say I enjoyed most of it way more than I thought I would.

Series finale was made of human shit though

lol yeah

pretty much all the trek series besides TOS took until season 4 to really hit their stride, i dunno why this kept repeating but enterprise didn't get a chance to keep going like the other 3

There's loads of good stuff in S2-3 of TNG!

enterprise, aka the "hot vulcan decontamination shower" show

xp sure, but there's a lot of stumbling too, season 4-6 are a lot more consistent

Yeah S3s of TNG and DS9 were fine, they were already starting to ramp up by the end

Gunna rep for one of my fave podcasts now, call the Greatest Generation, describing themselves as "A Star Trek podcast by two guys who are a bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast."

They go thru great pains in recapping some of the S1 & 2 eps.

https://art19.com/shows/the-greatest-generation

sounds similar to the great pains I experience while watching them

one thing i learned from that imdb ratings chart posted upthread is that people really love Q episodes

or i guess it was posted in the other trek thread whoops

Q was one of TNG's best characters/ideas

i listened a different podcast called Mission Log all the way through TOS and into part of TNG before it got overwhleming... not sure i could do it again with another show

Q is a good character but a horrible plot device when dumped into a show. Luckily they used the whole Q thing very, very sparingly. It's deus ex machina joking around on screen.

Voyager begins in a similar way, with a near-omniscient being dumping them into the premise.

yeah it was a fine line to tread but I think they did it well in general - Q's appearance gave an "anything can happen!" feel to the plots, which injected a bit of excitement/uncertainty into what was generally a very staid and predictable environment.

They eventually got a little overused by late Voyager but the Borg are really a good counterpoint to the Federation. Equal treatment of all species, post-scarcity economy (no economy at all, really) and uninterested in absorbing whole pre-technical civilizations into their organization. Outside of the technical trappings, the only real difference was the recognition of individuality as useful.

the mechanics (as opposed to the moral or conceptual subjects) of tng plots are all magic plots resolved by geordie casting spells, so Q is fine

he has a tendency to trigger a Silliness that can be disappointing if you were expecting spaceships and course-plotting -- the robin hood ep etc -- but w TOS you have to make a similar peace w the theme park planets they occasionally visit.

^^^

Borg and Q are easily my two favorite things about TNG

xp

yeah mh otm the borg are the best trek antagonists. (well maybe the terran empire.) the romulans in TOS serve a similar function of shadowing the (earlier + more imperialist) good guys -- as warlike cousins to vulcans they're temperamentally a terran/vulcan hybrid and these are the two races seen to have the most influence over the culture+practice of starfleet; romulan episodes (thinking of "balance of terror" and "the enterprise incident") often involve the pressures of romulan politics and the relationships of individuals to institutions blah blah -- but the borg are a much more complete and scary idea of a mirror-enemy.