no, it's true. it's remarkable that they had a career renaissance with American Idiot, which I really like, very good record, but everything they've made since (not much, admittedly), has been beyond bad. self-parody/lazy/phoned in rebelliousness. but they're in the hall of fame now, so they don't have anything to worry about.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 11 August 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
i like the cover.
― mark e, Thursday, 11 August 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
me too. not SPIN:
http://www.spin.com/2016/08/green-day-revolution-radio-album-cover-terrible/?utm_source=spintwitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=spintwitter
― flappy bird, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
it's remarkable that they had a career renaissance with American Idiot
It's remarkable they've had a career beyond Dookie, IMO.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
lol i'm going through the trilogy, wtf is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh8UILPQD9Y
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
It is the time of fuck.
Or alternately:
"It's the timeOf the SEEEEEASONFor FUUUUCKING!"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
was this in rolling worst songs 2012
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
did anybody actually listen to these records at the time
so many questions
shit, "nightlife" is even worse
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
i tried but ultimately couldnt do it.
― Spottie, Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
I quite literally rode a bus by the club in Costa Mesa where there were already a slew of people waiting for the secret show that night where they premiered a lot of songs from all three of those albums. I have to wonder how many of them thought it was worth it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link
And indeed here's the setlist:
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/green-day/2011/tiki-bar-costa-mesa-ca-7bd086e0.html
You'll be thrilled, Brad -- TWO versions of "Fuck Time."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
fuck time 2: fuck forever
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
Fuck Time Reloaded
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
Could see that being a decently fun live song if the lyrics weren't those lyrics
― Vinnie, Friday, 30 September 2016 02:09 (seven years ago) link
Is Dookie considered canon now? Will it ever be? Does it deserve to be?
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 30 September 2016 08:48 (seven years ago) link
Yes, yes, yes. I'm wondering when Insomniac will get its due, though.
Although tbf, Dookie is no Enema of the State, which has become the ur-text for every Warped Tour band and many hyped indie rockers like Joyce Manor. Dookie was more of a major label culmination than a new synthesis. They're both "pop punk," but Enema of the State leans more pop, and vice versa.
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 September 2016 11:39 (seven years ago) link
Insomniac was always considered Dookie's runt little brother with the same format and fewer memorable songs. Amazing (to me) that Blink are remembered so fondly these days. I'm probably not the right generation to appreciate them though.
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 30 September 2016 12:10 (seven years ago) link
It's amazing to me as well, and I was exactly the right age to be into this kind of shit back in the day.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 30 September 2016 12:25 (seven years ago) link
I know, but Insomniac is so good & brutal! Such a blistering, angry record. Probably the only major label album with 3 singles about methamphetamine.
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 September 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link
Is Dookie considered canon now? Will it ever be? Does it deserve to be?― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, September 30, 2016 8:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, September 30, 2016 8:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's been considered "canon" for years!
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
dookie was canon back in the 90s when you would get cassettes of it in the mail w samples of tide
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 September 2016 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Dookie was definitely considered canon by the end of the '90s... it was perceived as being as essential a '90s alternative rock record as Blood Sugar Sex Magik or Siamese Dream. One of those albums your '90s alternative rock collection would be incomplete without.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
it's remarkable how Green Day managed to avoid being a one album wonder with two career boosts after their breakthrough with Dookie: "Good Riddance" and American Idiot. I understand why Insomniac isn't really rated and was dismissed at the time, I imagine hearing that record a year after Dookie was a sign that this band didn't have much else in them and that it'd be diminishing returns from there on out.
― flappy bird, Friday, 30 September 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
I've always been amused by the fact that people expected some kind of artistic evolution from this band. Talk about missing the point. Anyhow, the band clearly took it to their hearts as they went on to make albums like Warning and American Idiot, in which they attempted to do something a little different within the confines of their sound, and amusingly, still ended up pissing people off. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's tempting to think albums like Warning and American Idiot wouldn't have been made if they hadn't made that major label jump and that they would have been content to crank out endless versions of Kerplunk! for the rest of their days and that their fanbase would have been satisfied with that.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
it's almost time to wake up that guy
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
Hahahahaha!
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
are you saying that they expected evolution and were still mad when they managed it?
i'm not sure this is how i experienced "people"s reactions to green day
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
their only really reactionary album is insomniac
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
Yes, I am saying that there were people that clearly expected Green Day to artistically evolve (see: people getting upset because they felt that Insomniac was just "more Dookie") and I am saying that were people that got upset when they made albums like Warning. This is exactly how I experienced "people"'s reactions to Green Day.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
yeah warning wasn't received well by the green day fans i knew at the time, mostly they were confused by the whole kinks fixation, but like... ime no one was mad about american idiot
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
Interesting that the Green Day fans you knew at the time were confused about the "Kinks fixation" on Warning, given that the title track was far from the first time that Green Day had half-inched a Kinks riff (see: 'Walking Contradiction' vs. 'Do It Again' for a notable example) - the Green Day fans that I knew at the time were down on Warning mostly because of the relatively softer sound and slightly increased emphasis on acoustic guitars. For me, personally, I don't think the songwriting is as strong as on previous records.
American Idiot was critically acclaimed, sold well, and brought quite a fair amount of new fans on board, which I was pleasantly surprised by because I thought they were just about done prior to releasing that record. However, I do know more than a few Green Day fans that were dissatisfied with the record for numerous reasons: the Wonderwall-isms of 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams', ballads like 'Wake Me Up When September Ends', and the sense that Green Day were now trying their hand at being a stadium rock band.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
warning is easily their best record with their best songwriting. of course the people i knew weren't literally against the kinks-isms but it was the dimensions of that sound (softer, more acoustic) that alienated them
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link
xpost:
Of course, the first time the words "stadium rock" were brought up in conversation regarding Green Day, I thought "eh?" ... but thinking about it, and listening to American Idiot again, I can see how the cavernous drums on tracks like 'Are We The Waiting' and 'Wake Me Up When September Ends' can code as "stadium rock" to some.
Funnily enough, I never heard anyone slag off or criticise either of the two multi-part suites on the record.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
That you and I disagree completely on the merits of Warning is not a surprise to me in the least.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
ime no one was mad about american idiot
pretty much everyone i knew who still had a modicum of affection for this band was rolling their damn eyes at billy joe super saiyan-ing himself into bono 2.0.
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
omg looool at "Fuck Time"
what's most amazing to me is that it's on the *second* of the three albums, like was that really not among the bottom-scraping material
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
pretty much everyone i knew who still had a modicum of affection for this band was rolling their damn eyes at billy joe super saiyan-ing himself into bono 2.0.― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, September 30, 2016 7:05 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, September 30, 2016 7:05 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ha, yes! I remember there being a lot of this amongst many that I knew who were still bothered about Green Day at that point.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNq9gmY_Oz4
this was my favorite Insomniac = more Dookie track
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 September 2016 22:32 (seven years ago) link
'Fuck Time' is surely something that Tre Cool had a lot to do with? It feels like it's one of his.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 30 September 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link
Insomniac was everything I wanted as an 8 year old Green Day fan. My sister wrote new lyrics for "Walking Contradiction" about being stuck in traffic, it was pretty great.
― geoffreyess, Friday, 30 September 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
holy shit @ the "do it again" / "walking contradiction" rip. that's fucking insane
― flappy bird, Saturday, 1 October 2016 00:23 (seven years ago) link
I remember, despite not being a huge Green Day fan at the time (tho I like them now), being anxious to hear the new Green Day single around the time Insomniac came out, because they kept playing short snippets of it during MTV commercials for about a week, and those clips sounded massive.
woke up early for high school one morning and flipped on MTV and they were showing the video (think it had debuted the night before and they were replaying it), and I dug it. my brother was a Green Day fan, but was asleep as he was in middle school at the time, so I left him a note - "Hey bro - new Green Day video is out, Geek Stink Breath!".
my mom called me later and said my brother was upset because he thought i was insulting him.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 October 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link
So
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 12 December 2016 03:56 (seven years ago) link
Has this been discussed
https://www.uphe.com/movies/ordinary world
Ugh
https://www.uphe.com/movies/ordinary-world?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 12 December 2016 03:57 (seven years ago) link
would've seen it if it ever came here. definitely dig billie joe going into acting, makes sense
― flappy bird, Monday, 12 December 2016 04:06 (seven years ago) link
D
― salthigh, Monday, 12 December 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link
Billie Joe Armstrong leads an all-star cast in the candid and heartwarming comedy, Ordinary World. Perry (Armstrong), a former punk rocker, is ten years into his band's "indefinite hiatus" and is struggling with his adjustment to the real world, which includes working in his family's hardware store. When Perry's hotshot attorney wife (Selma Blair) and precocious young daughter forget his 40th birthday, his brother (Chris Messina) takes pity and gives him the money to throw a huge rockstar blowout in a fancy New York hotel. At the party, Perry's punk past clashes hilariously with his grown-up reality as he encounters crazy former bandmates, including best pal Gary (Fred Armisen), and an old-flame-turned-manager (Judy Greer), who offers him a chance to revive his stalled career, all in one outrageous day!
lol this sounds/looks even worse than that Strummer movie
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 12 December 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link