Green Day: C/D?

Middle-aged white dude "YEAH! I'M REBELLIOUS!" signifiers remain not just the worst but the dullest and most obvious. (Signed, 45 year old white guy, don't tweet at me, etc.)

no, it's true. it's remarkable that they had a career renaissance with American Idiot, which I really like, very good record, but everything they've made since (not much, admittedly), has been beyond bad. self-parody/lazy/phoned in rebelliousness. but they're in the hall of fame now, so they don't have anything to worry about.

i like the cover.

me too. not SPIN:

http://www.spin.com/2016/08/green-day-revolution-radio-album-cover-terrible/?utm_source=spintwitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=spintwitter

it's remarkable that they had a career renaissance with American Idiot

It's remarkable they've had a career beyond Dookie, IMO.

lol i'm going through the trilogy, wtf is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh8UILPQD9Y

It is the time of fuck.

Or alternately:

"It's the time
Of the SEEEEEASON
For FUUUUCKING!"

was this in rolling worst songs 2012

did anybody actually listen to these records at the time

so many questions

shit, "nightlife" is even worse

i tried but ultimately couldnt do it.

I quite literally rode a bus by the club in Costa Mesa where there were already a slew of people waiting for the secret show that night where they premiered a lot of songs from all three of those albums. I have to wonder how many of them thought it was worth it.

And indeed here's the setlist:

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/green-day/2011/tiki-bar-costa-mesa-ca-7bd086e0.html

You'll be thrilled, Brad -- TWO versions of "Fuck Time."

fuck time 2: fuck forever

Fuck Time Reloaded

Could see that being a decently fun live song if the lyrics weren't those lyrics

Is Dookie considered canon now? Will it ever be? Does it deserve to be?

Yes, yes, yes. I'm wondering when Insomniac will get its due, though.

Although tbf, Dookie is no Enema of the State, which has become the ur-text for every Warped Tour band and many hyped indie rockers like Joyce Manor. Dookie was more of a major label culmination than a new synthesis. They're both "pop punk," but Enema of the State leans more pop, and vice versa.

Insomniac was always considered Dookie's runt little brother with the same format and fewer memorable songs. Amazing (to me) that Blink are remembered so fondly these days. I'm probably not the right generation to appreciate them though.

It's amazing to me as well, and I was exactly the right age to be into this kind of shit back in the day.

I know, but Insomniac is so good & brutal! Such a blistering, angry record. Probably the only major label album with 3 singles about methamphetamine.

Is Dookie considered canon now? Will it ever be? Does it deserve to be?

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, September 30, 2016 8:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's been considered "canon" for years!

dookie was canon back in the 90s when you would get cassettes of it in the mail w samples of tide

Dookie was definitely considered canon by the end of the '90s... it was perceived as being as essential a '90s alternative rock record as Blood Sugar Sex Magik or Siamese Dream. One of those albums your '90s alternative rock collection would be incomplete without.

it's remarkable how Green Day managed to avoid being a one album wonder with two career boosts after their breakthrough with Dookie: "Good Riddance" and American Idiot. I understand why Insomniac isn't really rated and was dismissed at the time, I imagine hearing that record a year after Dookie was a sign that this band didn't have much else in them and that it'd be diminishing returns from there on out.

I've always been amused by the fact that people expected some kind of artistic evolution from this band. Talk about missing the point. Anyhow, the band clearly took it to their hearts as they went on to make albums like Warning and American Idiot, in which they attempted to do something a little different within the confines of their sound, and amusingly, still ended up pissing people off. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's tempting to think albums like Warning and American Idiot wouldn't have been made if they hadn't made that major label jump and that they would have been content to crank out endless versions of Kerplunk! for the rest of their days and that their fanbase would have been satisfied with that.

it's almost time to wake up that guy

Hahahahaha!

are you saying that they expected evolution and were still mad when they managed it?

i'm not sure this is how i experienced "people"s reactions to green day

their only really reactionary album is insomniac

Yes, I am saying that there were people that clearly expected Green Day to artistically evolve (see: people getting upset because they felt that Insomniac was just "more Dookie") and I am saying that were people that got upset when they made albums like Warning. This is exactly how I experienced "people"'s reactions to Green Day.

yeah warning wasn't received well by the green day fans i knew at the time, mostly they were confused by the whole kinks fixation, but like... ime no one was mad about american idiot

Interesting that the Green Day fans you knew at the time were confused about the "Kinks fixation" on Warning, given that the title track was far from the first time that Green Day had half-inched a Kinks riff (see: 'Walking Contradiction' vs. 'Do It Again' for a notable example) - the Green Day fans that I knew at the time were down on Warning mostly because of the relatively softer sound and slightly increased emphasis on acoustic guitars. For me, personally, I don't think the songwriting is as strong as on previous records.

American Idiot was critically acclaimed, sold well, and brought quite a fair amount of new fans on board, which I was pleasantly surprised by because I thought they were just about done prior to releasing that record. However, I do know more than a few Green Day fans that were dissatisfied with the record for numerous reasons: the Wonderwall-isms of 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams', ballads like 'Wake Me Up When September Ends', and the sense that Green Day were now trying their hand at being a stadium rock band.

warning is easily their best record with their best songwriting. of course the people i knew weren't literally against the kinks-isms but it was the dimensions of that sound (softer, more acoustic) that alienated them

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Of course, the first time the words "stadium rock" were brought up in conversation regarding Green Day, I thought "eh?" ... but thinking about it, and listening to American Idiot again, I can see how the cavernous drums on tracks like 'Are We The Waiting' and 'Wake Me Up When September Ends' can code as "stadium rock" to some.

Funnily enough, I never heard anyone slag off or criticise either of the two multi-part suites on the record.

That you and I disagree completely on the merits of Warning is not a surprise to me in the least.

ime no one was mad about american idiot

pretty much everyone i knew who still had a modicum of affection for this band was rolling their damn eyes at billy joe super saiyan-ing himself into bono 2.0.

omg looool at "Fuck Time"

what's most amazing to me is that it's on the *second* of the three albums, like was that really not among the bottom-scraping material

pretty much everyone i knew who still had a modicum of affection for this band was rolling their damn eyes at billy joe super saiyan-ing himself into bono 2.0.

― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, September 30, 2016 7:05 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, yes! I remember there being a lot of this amongst many that I knew who were still bothered about Green Day at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNq9gmY_Oz4

this was my favorite Insomniac = more Dookie track

'Fuck Time' is surely something that Tre Cool had a lot to do with? It feels like it's one of his.

Insomniac was everything I wanted as an 8 year old Green Day fan. My sister wrote new lyrics for "Walking Contradiction" about being stuck in traffic, it was pretty great.

holy shit @ the "do it again" / "walking contradiction" rip. that's fucking insane

I remember, despite not being a huge Green Day fan at the time (tho I like them now), being anxious to hear the new Green Day single around the time Insomniac came out, because they kept playing short snippets of it during MTV commercials for about a week, and those clips sounded massive.

woke up early for high school one morning and flipped on MTV and they were showing the video (think it had debuted the night before and they were replaying it), and I dug it. my brother was a Green Day fan, but was asleep as he was in middle school at the time, so I left him a note - "Hey bro - new Green Day video is out, Geek Stink Breath!".

my mom called me later and said my brother was upset because he thought i was insulting him.

So

Has this been discussed

https://www.uphe.com/movies/ordinary world

Ugh

https://www.uphe.com/movies/ordinary-world?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

would've seen it if it ever came here. definitely dig billie joe going into acting, makes sense

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