smh
― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Monday, 8 August 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
You're going to wear yourself out making note of every guy he passes in WAR.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 August 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
but do be sure to let me know when he catches current surname trout war leader dizzy trout (50.6 fWAR)
― a simba man (Will M.), Monday, 8 August 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
Most WAR since 2001:
1 Albert Pujols2 Alex Rodriguez3 Adrian Beltre4 Miguel Cabrera5 Carlos Beltran6 Chase Utley7 Ichiro Suzuki8 Barry Bonds9 Lance Berkman10 David Wright11 Chipper Jones12 Matt Holliday13 Scott Rolen14 Jimmy Rollins15 Derek Jeter16 David Ortiz17 Evan Longoria18 Robinson Cano19 Joe Mauer20 Mike Trout
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Obviously, position players. Sabathia, Greinke, Kershaw, Felix, Hamels, and Verlander would be on a pitchers-included list if you use Baseball Reference. (Not meant as a slight to Trout.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
My takeaway from that list: Bonds retired ten years ago and he's still 8th???
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 18 August 2016 08:17 (seven years ago) link
really a surprise? those last years were y'know
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:05 (seven years ago) link
yeah whoops I forgot to mention no pitchers
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2016 12:13 (seven years ago) link
trout is hitting .302/.356/.583 in 104 PAs that have reached 0-2 this season
MLB is collectively hitting .150/.158/.222 in those situations
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 August 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
dang dog
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 August 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
yeah he's an insane 2 strike hitter, he has no fear
― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link
it's practically boggsian!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
http://www.baseballspast.com/samplepage_files/11094_master_%202_strike_hitting.pdf
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
They were talking about the AL MVP vote on one of the local call-in shows. Assuming it's a five-way race (Trout, Altuve, Donaldson, Betts, and Machado--you could add Ortiz, I suppose), I think Trout's going to benefit this time from all the closely-matched candidates on contending teams. Voters who only pick players from contending teams as their #1 will still have Trout third or fourth at worst, maybe even second; he'll get #1 or, at worst, #2 votes from more sabermetric-minded voters. Meanwhile, all the other #1s will be scattered between four or five players.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 August 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
i think if the season ended today the final order would be betts/altuve/donaldson/trout/ortiz/machado
― nomar, Monday, 29 August 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
whoa
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17437855/mike-trout-los-angeles-angels-uninjured-serious-highway-crash
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 1 September 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
up to 9.3 WAR
― nomar, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-case-for-mike-trout-for-american-league-mvp/
they're doing these pieces for all the contenders, but trout really is the only choice. a month ago that wasn't the case tho!
― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
xpost only 8.2 by fWAR, but still way more than the runner-up (donaldson, 7.0 fWAR)
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
why does this guy sit so many games now :(
― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
because the angels are anything but
― a simba man (Will M.), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:03 (seven years ago) link
he's up to 10.0 rWAR now
― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
i don't know why i chose these particular players, but trout appears to be keeping pace
http://i.imgur.com/OIeBQ6L.png
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
he's got an outside shot at an 11-win season, at least by baseball-reference. and he probably won't win MVP
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 September 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
in more ways than one, this is sort of albert pujols' fault
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
albert pujols turned into mid-decline phase ryan howard so quickly
― nomar, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link
pujols has the same WAR (bbr) as Ichiro this season.
― nomar, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
and he probably won't win MVP
You think Betts will win, I take it. I'll stick with what I said a month ago (awards thread)--I think Altuve and Donaldson will cut into Betts' support enough that Trout will win. Trout has sabermetric voters to himself; even if that's still a smaller part of the pool than traditional-stat voters, the latter will split its vote.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link
Cameron:
Betts is clearly a fantastic defensive player, and he deserves credit for his all around game, but the reality is that the argument that Betts and Trout have had similar 2016 seasons is an argument for accepting the validity of single-season DRS at face value. We’ve probably done more to advocate for the acceptance of stats like UZR and DRS as anyone, but even I wouldn’t look at Betts’ 2016 defensive numbers and argue that we should accept that he was the best defender in baseball this year, and far more valuable defensively than Trout, who still plays the more demanding defensive position.
And unlike single-season defensive metrics, which continue to have some noise influencing their results, we can very easily identify the offensive difference between Trout and Betts. It wasn’t just “some walks”; it was 86 outs made. And those 86 outs are why, with all due respect to Betts as a great player who had a great season, it isn’t really all that close this year.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-actual-difference-between-mike-trout-and-mookie-betts/
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 September 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link
i'm not sensing a lot of betts momentum compared to previous dudes who have won, it feels like a lot of people are saying trout deserves it.
― nomar, Friday, 30 September 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
I think that Cameron article makes it clear why Trout will win. You've got the old-school traditional guy (Luddite, if you prefer) who's going to vote for Betts--but even he's putting Trout second. You've got a second guy who's about halfway; prefers the MVP to play for a contender, but doesn't treat that as an absolute--and he's voting for Trout. So if Trout gets some of the halfway voters, plus all of the sabermetric voters, and then you get people like Heyman putting Trout second (or at worst third), I'm sure that'll put him comfortably ahead of a Betts/Altuve/Donaldson/Machado traffic jam.
― clemenza, Friday, 30 September 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
still think ortiz will siphon off some betts votes too
― nomar, Friday, 30 September 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Definitely, should have mentioned Ortiz--lots of sentimental support, Triple Crown stats, vote-splitting on the same team, etc.
― clemenza, Friday, 30 September 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
if i understand correctly how bbref's MVP shares works, a trout win would put him 16th all time. after 5 seasons
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 September 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
@BNightengaleThe three finalists voted on by the players for their Player of Year Award: Jose Altuve, Mookie Betts and David Ortiz
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 September 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link
the trees do not understand the forest
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:39 (seven years ago) link
the trees like narrative, which i guess isn't too surprising
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 September 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
maybe he's a real jerk
― Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:53 (seven years ago) link
he doesn't seem like a lot of fun tbh
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
from everything i've read his makeup and general likablity are beyond reproach, the issue really is just the angels sucking
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 September 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link
there is literally no rational reason for not voting for trout this year btw. he leads in every category. leverage-based, situational, etc he's helped his team win more than anyone else
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 September 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/9/7/0/95680970/092014_laa_trout_pats_beltre_twitter_pz1uno3t.gif
so likable Beltre doesn't even punch him here
― nomar, Friday, 30 September 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, September 30, 2016 6:14 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
didn't get his team to the playoffs
like i get what you're saying but all that stuff doesn't matter to the voters if the issue is no playoffs = team wins don't matter
― qualx, Friday, 30 September 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
they shd give the MVP to a team then
*throws up hands, throws up*
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 October 2016 00:08 (seven years ago) link
this is the players' vote. no one should expect the players to care about leverage-based or situational or basically any stats. when trout hits 40 homers as a 41yo DH i'm sure he'll win it then
ugh awards are the worst
― mookieproof, Saturday, 1 October 2016 00:40 (seven years ago) link
trout is so good
― k3vin k., Saturday, 1 October 2016 02:36 (seven years ago) link
What I've been saying:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/09/30/mike-trout-al-mvp-chances/91314092/
there is literally no rational reason for not voting for trout this year btw.
I think that's a bit of an overstatement when you're looking at two guys separated by one WAR on Baseball Reference (if you take the halfway average with the other WAR, it's 1.3). Betts closes the gap defensively, though, and I'm not the person to make the argument for him there.
― clemenza, Saturday, 1 October 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
My prediction--prediction--for A.L. MVP:
1. Trout2. Betts3. Altuve4. Ortiz5. Donaldson6. Machado7. Cano8. Cabrera9. Beltre
The 10th spot will either be Kluber in there somewhere, or Edwin.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtyC4-zXYAArB45.jpg
-- joey votto
― mookieproof, Monday, 3 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
Always number one in our hearts, Joey.
― Andy K, Monday, 3 October 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link