Caetano Veloso S and D

Had me thinking that i'd turned over from the BBC News channel too late for a bit. But couldn't tell if all the population on the floor there were the teams or Brazilian dancers.

Ceremony's being reshown on BBC2 at the moment or just has been.

If BBC2 replay is anything to go by it's about 1/2 hour away from the end of the footage. That is if the timing that I'm getting on my Horizon box TV guide is right. I just caught it there.

BBC2 had a 10 minute studio commentary after the end of the Ceremony so about 20 minutes from teh end. Not that it's really that relevant unless you get some chance to watch that live again. & it's up on youtube as shown above.
There's a lot of it, with a major drum break in the middle. Seems to cover about 10 minutes end to end.

So Caetano Veloso released a new live album that features he and his sons called Ofertorio in May 2018 I now see. Sounded good on first listen

Who had the idea of ​​this family Ofertório ?

It's me ! After a concert with Moreno a few years ago, it became a dream to do it with my other two sons. I waited for Tom to grow up a bit with his new band. Then, I talked to Zeca, the only one of them who never made a scene or a studio. It is someone who does things seriously, who never engages lightly and his first answer was no. I did not talk to him again. He did it himself, a few months later: he had thought it over and wanted us to try. Tom and Moreno accepted immediately.

Why this title of Ofertório ?

Originally, it's the title of a 1997 song, which I sang once in public, in a church, for my mother's 90th birthday. I wrote the words as if it were she who said them, today, I sing them by addressing directly to my sons. I also picked up the strongest titles I wrote for each of my sons' mothers. The themes of family and friends are at the heart of our repertoire.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.telerama.fr/sortir/caetano-veloso-dans-ma-famille,-la-musique-est-quelque-chose-de-sacre,n5715812.php&prev=search

Just to say that if this dude has to go into exile again on Sunday he can stay at my apartment no prob.

He's welcome at the next ILB FAP at the Royal Oak too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/opinion/caetano-veloso-brazil-bolsonaro.html?fbclid=IwAR2I4d09MA8Y3SsLqOft0Z64jMPu7teTvDNeS4dnfQfuLFFTOQtF59x7Hok

The editorial and his recent album are both worth checking out.

Just saw Caetano Veloso & his sons together onstage last night. A really beautiful sounding evening. While it didn’t have the edgier songs I saw him do in 2010 w/ a young band, last night was lilting melodies, rhythm, harmonies, and familial love and support. Caetano explaining how certain songs were inspired by his kids, wife, ex-wife, and mother. Plus how he’s an atheist but his kids are religious

It was pricey but worth it. At 76 He still has a great voice. It was touching and interesting to see him interact with his sons, who are all skilled musicians.

https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/29/caetano-veloso-brazil-bolsonaro-so-confused-so-incompetent?

Just discovered this nice 2020 singer/ guitarist Veloso & clarinetist Ivan Sacerdote album of mostly quiet duet renditions from Veloso’s catalogue. Good for a rainy day. It just got nominated for a Latin Grammy

this is very nice

yup that's a good one

Chris Richards , Washington Post critic , just put this album with Veloso and Sacerdote in his top 15 for the year

His birthday yesterday! A playlist.

I don't think I've heard either of the 80s albums you mentioned, I'll have to check those out. I also have only ever heard one Maria Bethânia album, A Tua Presença, which I adore (plus Edu & Bethânia, also wonderful)—what of hers do you rate highly?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/02/14/how-caetano-veloso-revolutionized-brazils-sound-and-spirit

Recently found a nice used copy of Circulado, which I hadnt heard before. Article inspired me to put it on and spent all weekend listening to it, great stuff.

That was a good profile, there was a lot I didn't know (such as the fact that he started dating his long-time wife and manager when she was 13 o_O).

"A terceira margem do rio" is a great song from Circulado, what a lovely melody and chord progression (and vocal).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0lVCkynWY

His album last year, y'all

Listen to it.

"A terceira margem do rio" is a great song from Circulado, what a lovely melody and chord progression (and vocal).
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, February 14, 2022 9:33 PM (forty-nine minutes ago)

It's one of the greatest short stories ever from Brazil, if you ever have a chance to read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Bank_of_the_River_(short_story). Guimarães Rosa is the greatest.

love the butch morris cornet & arto guitar on circulado

Todays dollar bin Caetano CD find was Omaggio A Federico E Giulietta, a live Fellini tribute from the 90s I had no prior knowledge of. Currently kicking my ass on this warm summer night.

Half a dozen times in the liner essay he laments having vocal troubles on the night of the recording. Maybe I have a tin ear idk, but he still sounds pretty fucking good to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgnI1q48Rc

It's during a phase I think Caetano is really reconnecting with standards as a whole, songs from his childhood radio memories.

A really great one from the same era is Fina Estampa https://www.discogs.com/release/2199404-Caetano-Veloso-Fina-Estampa

These would all be played in the radio when he was young. He discuss this a bit in his bio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tbLX8pyNq4

^ Almost a hit from this record

Have been trawling through his early albums, the ones available on Tidal anyway, and wow Araçá Azul throws you for a curve! Should be mentioned more in discussions of artists making crazy experimental albums at the height of their success.

Lots of good discussion in the early stages of this thread re: Brasil and Japan. One thing that attracts me about both the tropicalistas and the YMO crew is how they accept anglo-american influences as a fact of life but manage to integrate them in a way that still reflects their nationalities instead of seeming in thrall to them. Hardly anyone managed that in Portugal I think - even the greatest music we've produced is either in opposition to these influences or trying to imitate them. Maybe António Variações came closest to offering a synthesis...

and also in both examples it's not a simple case of "Brazilian or Japanese music with Anglo-American influences", more like a next step that incorporates those influences and also other international ones, at its best seeming to offer an aesthetic if not political way out of being the children of Marx and coca-cola

I think it all stems from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_Antrop%C3%B3fago
It's such a big influence on everything artistic Brazil has done since, it's almost like a North Star in a way.

Araçá is awesome - Dominique Leone rightly called it almost a Faust record. Drumming on that record is <3 all time

That Manifesto link is interesting. Thanks

fpsa, are you brazilian / have you lived in brazil?

agree that Araçá Azul is great. my original pressing is one of my prized possessions -- one of a handful acquired at tropicalia in furs in NYC

gonna throw that on now, thanks thread

prob discussed earlier but his autobiography is great, recommended

yep, I'm brazilian! I'm from Pernambuco, northeast

but I'm living in NYC for the last 6 years.

Verdade tropical is all time. the prison chapter is just heartbreaking. but a lot of what makes it great is also in the chapters about his youth and formation, and his love of joão gilberto. it's such a great microcosmos on what his vision (and everybody else near him, to be honest) was like

agreed, and iirc it discusses that same manifesto?

yes, it does. the manisfesto is a huge thing here – it all relates to an idea of what constitutes modernism for Brazil, a few decades out of being under Portugal and being a nation, and facing industrialization and what constituted our identity.

macunaíma, the novel, is a clear manifestation of these ideas early on – it's pretty clear the connection here to Tropicália
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/books/mario-de-andrade-macunaima-apprentice-tourist.html There's also the movie from 69, recently restored https://mubi.com/films/macunaima https://www.bam.org/film/2023/macunaima

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1973 was a great year for weirder, bold albums in general - here's a cool collection of them: https://musica.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2013/07/03/experimentalismo-censura-e-partes-intimas-artistas-revelam-segredos-de-5-capas-classicas-da-mpb.htm

joão donato - quem é quem. rip, just died today, a rã is brazil in less than 3 minutes. bossa nova heavyweight/pianist extraordinaire goes funky and moody. a lot of counterpoints, syncopation but so tight and breezy.
milton nascimento - milagre dos peixes. if you love rock bottom, r. wyatt, and the most floating/wordless stuff beach boys done such as surf's up or cabinessence, go for this asap.
gal costa - índia (<3 relance)
araçá azul
tom zé - todos os olhos (best(? sad really) song ever about torture and hopelessness, the title track here)
walter franco - ou não (nww list record, warped mpb/rock record)
paulinho da viola – nervos de aço (samba-canção from the greatest)
luiz melodia - "pérola negra" swinging/moody popsoulrock record, Rio de Janeiro at 3am, boozy melancholy vibe. amazing
joão gilberto - s/t (the white album)
tim maia - st (tim in front of a forest) party record all time
Novos Baianos - Novos Baianos F.C.
the satwa record (hometown shoutout!)

see also: Marconi Notaro!

true

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=336724227486111 <- caetano doing some of his araça tour on br tv (this program was Elizeth Cardoso's program. She was the first to record bossa nova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZrsKhSm-w)

Thanks for all the context fpsa. I'd heard about antropofagia within the tropicalia context but didn't know where the concept came from originally.

All I've heard about the movie Caetano Veloso directed is it's nigh on unwatchable, anyone caught it?

Hardly anyone managed that in Portugal I think

ummmm, have you heard quarteto 1111's "ode to the beatles" ?!

(just kidding)

lol I have but am surprised you have as well! I guess Quarteto 1111 might come across the radars of psych diggers? Certainly frontman José Cid never stops mentioning his prog album showing up on some Japanese best of list

Araçá Azul -- wow! Talk about a record with a sound that doesn't match the cover art.

haha yeah

does anybody know what the lyrics are to "Gilberto Misterioso"?

when i sing it to myself i normally go

gil hing gil hee gil ha jeenyo

lol I have but am surprised you have as well! I guess Quarteto 1111 might come across the radars of psych diggers? Certainly frontman José Cid never stops mentioning his prog album showing up on some Japanese best of list

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i can't really remember how i came across them but yeah it was probably on one of many "worldwide psych" benders. "os monstros sagrados" is a great track!