Vice Principals with Danny McBride and Walton Goggins

itt bunch of dudes being petty and shitty to each other and it's not as funny as i hoped it would be

imo perfect analogy for vice principals keep going

xxxp goddamnit beat me to it

im sure u thought this was some emasculating burn here, but I LIKE GENTLE HUMOR and im not sure why that should be an insult or a refutation to me thinking this is fucked up.

is it possible that you dont think this is a fucked up ground for laughs bc you cant see yourself being the object of mcbride/hill's "ironic" bigotry?

― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:28 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I do have a history of engaging in emasculating burns, it's true, you caught me.

I like gentle humor, too. Agreement! I also like humor that is not so gentle, but I do not like humor that "punches down". This does not read to me like humor that is "punching down". Neither does it read to me like "ironic bigotry".

xxxp the fragility of your enjoyment of this show (I also enjoy this show) to that line of discussion and the resulting defensiveness could actually work as part of this show

― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:29 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thank you... now STFU ;-)

ilx demands you respect the genius comedy auteur Jody Hill who is incapable of terrible bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-N3F1FhW4

FTR, I didn't think this was comedic genius but I basically love watching Danny McBride for ad libbed moments like saying 'Tacks' while throwing a handful of tacks at someone so this scratched the itch.

just FYI for my gentle comedy bros, detectorists is really great.
and fyi to the peeps who think that someone must not understand humor and satire to think this is unfunny and toxic -- think harder about things.

and now
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needs more david gordon green

...or then again maybe it doesn't, i watched every episode of chozen :/

aw my meme didn't post.
it was a lousy meme anyway.

ian it is good to see u itt

hey m bison, since i don't have the game of thrones thread to read anymore i guess i've come to be a party pooper on this thread but imma just go back to my 78 groups on facebook and the occasional ILX thread about crime novels.

thank u for your kind words.

lol Game of Thrones is less "problematic" than this show?! gtfo

pooping on parties is a good example of gentle humor. mr rogers had an episode abt it once and its stuck w me ever since.

I suppose there's always a danger in centering a story around unsympathetic protagonists without clearly establishing that the audience isn't meant to side with them. I hope Grisham doesn't catch wind of this show.

shakey -- game of thrones has tons of problems, but it also has a whole lot more to offer. great (piss poor) comparison, as with taxi driver.

old lunch -- it's nothing new or exciting to have asshole protagonists. i just think this show revels in its cruelty and its hate and it makes it unpleasant to watch.

enjoy your hateful and spiteful entertainment.

~peace~

namaste

ian my man i get you, i can understand how this type of comedy can be at least a little wearying or depressing. i think JH might be going for that a little bit but then again his style of humor isn't quite mine either.

Rats, shakey beat me to the 'namaste'.

I want to sit and rewatch the two episodes that have aired with the critics itt and ask them, okay, please show me the rampant hate and cruelty and spite if you don't mind, just point it out when it happens, I'll wait.

Hey Sterling go fuck yourself.

― ian, Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hey buddy i don't go onto your threads about asmr self-help videos and fill them up with anime harambe memes

wtf

some weird beefs itt

I don't even understand the zings of these beefs

I got no beefs with ian, he did me a solid back in the day, we just disagree

There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.

I want to sit and rewatch the two episodes that have aired with the critics itt and ask them, okay, please show me the rampant hate and cruelty and spite if you don't mind, just point it out when it happens, I'll wait.

― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:23 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It seems like they'd at least point to the arson scene. "Reveling in cruelty and hate" is definitely what the two idiots are doing as their crime escalates from breaking and entering to arson. But the show seems to enjoy watching the two idiots dig themselves deeper and deeper graves as they revel. It even ends with Gamby taking the broach which is so obviously going to come back and threaten to hold him accountable for the arson.

Absolutely. Like.....do people think they're just gonna keep doing shit like this and get away with it?

Also, part of the humor here is the escalation. Gamby is all about sending half-literate letters to the school board and sifting through the principal's trash until the little Goggins on his shoulder pushes him into a whole other realm.

I don't know why this random example just occurred to me but I can see the McBride and Goggins arc taking a path similar to (if way more extreme than) Broderick's in Election.

haha yes def

one of ian's links brought up Election as a criticism, i.e. you are playing with important and edgy stuff so it had better pay off well as it did in Election

reposting: http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/hbo-vice-principals-tv-review.html

For another example of a work that takes magnificent pleasure in the Machiavellian plotting that happens at a high school, one need look no further than Alexander Payne’s Election to see how it can be done well. By comparison, Vice Principals suffers, partly from not quite nailing the proper tone and, admittedly, because of the moment in which it happens to be arriving.

thought there were many good points in that one, tbh

never seen Election, will check it out

goggins' character's sudden satanic blooming in the seduction/arson scene was more fight club than election i thought, but i've never seen fight club

i think the biggest issue w/this is that it's coming out right now, it's as poorly timed a launch as the debut of 24

xp- omg his little impish prance up to the family portrait :'D

I think if you're actually comparing the show with Election on a qualitative level it's going to come up short because Election is one of the GOAT comedy movies.

don't really think this show about a frustrated, humiliated white man being goaded by a demonic nihilist into acts of self-destructive violence for the sake of catharsis is particularly poorly timed

shades of peter verkhovensky in goggins imo: gladhanding goofball persona as wrapper for genuinely radical evil

for mcbride humiliation is motive but for goggins it seems more like excuse (cf also iago!)

sry to thinkpiece

xxxxp Also there are only two episodes of this out, right? Maybe wait until the end of a season before rushing to compare it to Election.

otm, i'm not willing yet to go any further than dostoevsky and shakespeare

Yeah, I see this going to some potentially interesting places. McBride likes his dumbshit comedy but he also likes his pathos. I can see him sobering up from Goggins's influence and attempting to set things right, with hilarious results.

never seen Election, will check it out

― flopson, Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:38 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

modern classic IMO -- even if you haven't liked alexander payne's other films, this one is real good.

Yeah, basically just ignore the man behind the curtain. Shocking dropoff in quality after that one.

Mrs. Libby asking "open or closed?" as she exits Gamby's office gets me every time

that might be the moment of the show so far ^

don't really think this show about a frustrated, humiliated white man being goaded by a demonic nihilist into acts of self-destructive violence for the sake of catharsis is particularly poorly timed

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

meant poorly timed in the sense that it was guaranteed, as a result of when it debuted, to elicit concerns about What It's Really Saying

Thinkpieces and zings aside, this is just not good.
Bonus points for "underage" nudity, what could be funnier