i mean anything that is satirical is valuable and good so i guess you are right.
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
i'm off to my SJW meeting now so i'll have to check in later.
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
I'm just a little mystified that you think a show portraying two dunderheaded amoral white guys trying to take down a competent black woman is somehow mean or ugly idgi if anything it's a simple portrait of the reality of America
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link
But in Eastbound, you could root for former professional baseball player and unrepentant redneck Kenny Powers to get his mojo back
what is this moronic position - for 99% of Eastbound Kenny was a fucking horrible sociopath
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link
it's ugly because there are people out there exactly like the two protagonists, who fear for their white male society, who are the people voting for trump, who are the people who think blues matter. people who use homophobic and misogynistic insults to make themselves feel powerful. it's ugly. frankly i'm a little mystified that you're mustified. but i didn't realize u were shakey so i guess it all makes sense now.
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link
that should say "blue lives matter"
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
maybe it's funny to you. to see a black woman's home burned down because she got a job she was qualified for. maybe that makes you laugh. it is not funny to me. it's sad.
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
there is a lot of having your cake and eating it too with contemporary tv 'satire.' mike judge does it with silicon valley. it's analogous to the trump phenomenon of any attention being a good thing and any credence given to a subject no matter how ironic or 'savage' or w/e immediately becoming a reinforcer of that reality.
― map, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
i'd rather watch a movie about how a black woman succeeds as an educator despite the narrow-minded ignorance of her co-workers. i'd even be okay if it had a few dick jokes.
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:11 (seven years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it makes much difference. the humor is in the eye of the beholder. i don't think it's a funny scene, period. if viewers think "haha these guys are morons" that's a valid viewpoint but so is "haha that bitch got what was coming to her."
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link
I'm confused in general when race matters and when it doesn't. I was brought up not to see it, and see and treat everyone as the same. I've seen this show and honestly did not even consider a reading like Ian and the other media critics are offering...
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
― ian, Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this line keeps running through my head over and over in the mr monopoly voice and i'm losing it
― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
wish you would lose your login tbh
― map, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
race always matters to someone. if you were brought up to treat everyone the same that's great, but it's also a convenient excuse for ignoring the huge problem w racism in america -- i was always taught that skin color doesn't matter too, but i'm still acutely aware that people of color often endure struggles of which i am completely ignorant.
― ian, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
the monopoly guy has a voice???
True
― Quarter measures (sunny successor), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:36 (seven years ago) link
I agree that this show isn't terribly successful at what it's trying to do, but this line from the second of ian's links is strange to me:
"After the previous principal (Bill Murray, in a cameo) leaves his post because his wife is dying (and there's a joke about that -– how hilarious!)"
Whether you thought the joke in Vice Principals was successful or not (this one landed for me), it seems like one should at least be open to the idea that this could be hilarious before watching a comedy.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link
But in Eastbound, you could root for former professional baseball player and unrepentant redneck Kenny Powers to get his mojo backwhat is this moronic position - for 99% of Eastbound Kenny was a fucking horrible sociopath― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is true! but i still think we are rooting for him! that's kind of how allegiance in fiction works...
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
i mean, you're kind of rooting for him b/c he's just entertaining. and b/c you're privy to his inner life in a way that's not as true of other characters.
i fully accept that eastbound & down is "anti-social" in the midcentury sense
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:10 (seven years ago) link
xp kinda like Michael in the US Office, which I'd guess may be a good reference for understanding why someone would find this show unenjoyable
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link
i like the first few seasons of the office, but eastbound and down seemed determined not to get stuck in the same kind of rut as that show, by switching it up each season
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:25 (seven years ago) link
also by, you know, getting cancelled
Eastbound and down was cancelled?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:28 (seven years ago) link
well, it's over in any case
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 00:32 (seven years ago) link
not only not cancelled, they came back for an extra season a couple of years after stopping it on purpose
― Shakey δσς (sic), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
2nd ep was way better than 1st
the trashing the principals house scene was great bc of how long and deranged it was
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
its def supposed to be uncomfortable to watch, im not abt to read recaps abt it but prob if one has a large problem w it, dont watch a danny mcbride/jody hill show prob
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:16 (seven years ago) link
Hill's stuff is the definitive document of macho white American insecurity, even moreso than the peak Ferrell vehicles, precisely because it flirts with outright ugliness. it only falters when it likes its characters too much (which is why, though it would be better with McBride as star, Observe and Report is imo his best thing)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:28 (seven years ago) link
meant to say *current* macho white insecurity, and shit's hardly limited to the States really
*watches taxi driver*
ugh, the way this guy hates women and gay people is not good to me, its sad. i don't think its a good movie period. if viewers think "omg this guy is a moron" that's a valid viewpoint but so is "haha those people he shot got what was coming to them."
i'd rather watch a movie about a politician inspiring a town to come together and fighting for better outpatient treatment for people with mental illness.
― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:41 (seven years ago) link
i think taxi driver is similar to e&D in that the proximity we have to the protagonist, our access to them, makes us somewhat sympathetic to them even though we can also apprehend them as awful. added to that is the visceral thrill of misbehavior.
but i also think that E&B (and mcbride) does work a little harder to make the protagonist perversely likable, even if it continually undercuts that (in fact that's kind of the basic pattern of the show)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:49 (seven years ago) link
imo Taxi Driver revels in its violence and transgression more than O&R does, the latter literally features its protag failing a psych evaluation
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:52 (seven years ago) link
yeah the comparison only goes so far. one is a comedy, the other is deadly serious.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link
I feel guilty now for just thinking the house-smashing scene was ridic and hilarious.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 03:20 (seven years ago) link
can this thread be a safe space for us to Lol at problematic show we like in peace? is that so much to ask?
― flopson, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link
so far 2 ways this differs from eastbound
-way darker. Kenny powers was an egomaniac but ultimately a good guy. Goggins is just pure vengeful evil from the get-go.. and he's dragging mcbride down with him-less Actual Jokes, particularly the imagist innovations-in-vulgarity which were sprinkled across eastbound every minute (was recently fondly remembering 'he looks like a bag of mashed up assholes' from the first ep)
best moment in e2 was when they were making faces at each other while the principal was leading a prayer
― flopson, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 14:17 (seven years ago) link
otm on both pts
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
can this thread be a safe space for us to Lol at problematic show we like in peace? is that so much to ask?― flopson, Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:10 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flopson, Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:10 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sounds like a pretty boring thread tbh
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 15:59 (seven years ago) link
so... don't post in it
― flopson, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
*watches taxi driver*ugh, the way this guy hates women and gay people is not good to me, its sad. i don't think its a good movie period. if viewers think "omg this guy is a moron" that's a valid viewpoint but so is "haha those people he shot got what was coming to them."i'd rather watch a movie about a politician inspiring a town to come together and fighting for better outpatient treatment for people with mental illness.― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:41 (14 hours ago) Permalink
― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:41 (14 hours ago) Permalink
Hey Sterling go fuck yourself.
― ian, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
hey just wanna make sure this is a discussion happening in 2016th year of our lord
theres a show where two white dudes get passed over for a promotion by a black woman and then they destroy her things then burn her house down. is that right?
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
yes... now pls leave us alone
― flopson, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link
xp. also a lot of the "funny" lines are McBride calling people gay.
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link
omg.. i fn hate you ppl
― flopson, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
cool bro
― ian, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
xxxposts Counterpoint: beautiful post, s. clover.
― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
Some of you guys are really bad at understanding comedy but I'm sure there is gentle comedy out there for you if you look hard enough.
― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
countercounterpoint: most comedy is terrible and regressive, sorry i cant find it in my heart to yuck it up at racial terrorism
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
shit, Misbehavin is a *serious* earworm
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 September 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
Loved her in VP but Edi Patterson is simply amazing in this.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
I liked the detail that his office staff called him “doctor”
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
yeah she's a highlight, interesting to see the female version of the standard McBride sputtering and delusional/blustering failure sorta character
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
while simultaneously implying all manner of disrespect when they’d refer to a black church’s “””Bishop”””fuck can we just tax all these motherfuckers like yesterday
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
xpst
really want an anigif of Goggins clogging tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
lol yes Misbehavin slaps
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
Nice to see Patterson is also a writer and producer
― Chris L, Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
starting to think this might be the best thing McBride & co. have done yet tbrr
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
Direction is definitely a bit showier, and the plot construction seems more deliberate and complex with all the flashbacks and shifting focus around the various characters. A bunch of Scorsese-esque tracking shots and flashy camerawork (lol'd at the vomiting-on-the-viewer/inside-the-toilet shot)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
should this be split off? I could c&p the thread
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
it's too damn good to not have it's own thread.
― calzino, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
agreed
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
"but Mr. Baby Billy..."