New Order:Sublime or Ridiculous?

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Some New Order songs stand as the only musical creations that physically make me feel like I'm standing next to someone I have an immense crush on.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that's a lovely way of putting it! Write more about music plz.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks. More confidence boosting first plz.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

What, that Ken C clown has said nothing about your turns of phrase yet? Beat him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I think he just likes my hair.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

If i had to pick my favourite band of all time it would be New Order. Around maybe once a year i dig out all of their records and gorge myself on a New Order-fest that may last several weeks. "Technique", "Low-life", "Power, Corruption & Lies" and "Substance" get played the most. I can't imagine not ever being thrilled by "The Perfect Kiss" or "Temptation", or "Vanishing Point"...(continues like this in a similar vein for the next few hours)

Neil FC (Neil FC), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Just now:

My boyfriend: "Is this the gays?"
Me: "What? It's New Order."
My boyfriend: "Gay."

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Your boyfriend is suppressing his homosexual urges.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

What do you think of the Best of/Rest of (I think that's what they're called?) comps? I think I listen to Technique and Substance the most often (still almost never).


xpost - he listens to Dee-Lite.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Then it's a very successful suppression!

Said comps are a bit eh -- the box set plus a couple of CDRs from an ILMer are far more cool.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(As is the peerless and glorious Substance, of course.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I have heard of these CDRs.

I need the boxed set! I touch it every time I go to the record store. Have the JD one, though.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought i was sick of "bizarre love triangle," but i happened to hear it this morning on a mixtape and it bowled me over - as usual.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Bizarre Love Triangle and Temptation make me weak in the knees every time I hear them. It really is like hearing them for the first time every time -- I just stop short of saying "what IS this?"

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Seeing "Temptation" live in 1989 in particular was some kinda revelation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The NO box set is kind of crap. Just buy all of the albums. If you hit up a number of local record stores with used bins, your bound to find all of them eventually. Along with THOUSANDS of copies of republic.

NO was my all time favorite band 2 years ago.. I still think that they still are on paper, but I think I played them out during my pre and post 'get ready' mania. havent been listening to them much as of late.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I the only one up in this bitch who prefers Joy Division to New Order?

I'm not saying New Order aren't highly worthy or anything. Just wondering.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I go through periods of listening to nothing but New Order and afterwards I can't listen to them for weeks, even months on end. But when I need something I can rely on, they're always there for me, and I'm always so glad I've found myself back in their arms.

I've often wondered if your strategy can be practically applied, but such restraint I find to be semi-inhuman. Much credit to you if you can do it, though.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

ridiculous: REPUBLIC, MOVEMENT

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), February 7th, 2002.

Wow. i can't believe I broadly lambasted Movement as ridiculous. Apologies for that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I posted this on a S&D thread back in Nov, but what the hey:

the mother of all 'portables' go!
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note: all discs are mostly chronological by themselves as best I can tell, except the last which is chronological by artist (mostly).

Joy Division 'portable' (78:11)
Digital
Disorder
Insight
New Dawn Fades
She's Lost Control
Shadowplay
Wilderness
Interzone
Transmission
Something Must Break
Dead Souls
Love Will Tear Us Apart (single a-side vers.)
Isolation
A Means to an End
Heart and Soul
Twenty Four Hours
Decades
Love Will Tear Us Apart (Peel Session vers.)
Ceremony (from Still)

(pretty straightforward and tidy, I wanted Ceremony on the end to point the way to the future).

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New Order 'portable' disc1 80:56

Ceremony (re-recorded vers from FAC 33T/Substance)
Temptation (5/87 from Substance)
Blue Monday (12" vers. from Substance)
Confusion (5/87 from Substance)
Thieves Like Us
Sub-culture (Robie remix from Substance)
Perfect Kiss (extended vers. from Substance)
True Faith
1963 (94 edit from Best Of)
Fine Time
Round & Round
Run
Regret

(the first disc in my 'three histories' of New Order. It's my dream Substance disc1, with the singles from Technique and "Regret" tacked on - oh! and 1963 which is not the remix, but just a slightly shorter edit of the original. Oh and I LOVE the "Sub-culture" remix).

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New Order 'portable' disc2 80:38

Everything's Gone Green
Dreams Never End
Age of Consent
Love Vigilantes
ShellShock (12" vers.)
Paradise
Weirdo
Broken Promise
State of the Nation (12" vers.)
Blue Monday 1988
All the Way
Love Less
Guilty Partner
Vanishing Point
Dream Attack
World in Motion (single mix)
World (The Price of Love)
Ruined in a Day

(covers additional singles and favorite album tracks and most of the additional tracks from 'Technique')

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New Order 'portable' disc3 80:51

586
Your Silent Face
Sub-culture (album vers.)
Sunrise
Elegia (album vers.)
As It Is When It Was
All Day Long
Mr. Disco
Spooky
Everyone Everywhere
Young Offender
Avalanche
Crystal (radio edit)
60 Miles an Hour
Close Range
Run Wild
Here to Stay (radio edit)

(essential odds-n-ends and my faves from 'Get Ready')


side order 'portable' New Order side projects 78:04

Electronic - Getting Away With It (extended vers.)
Electronic - Get the Message (album vers.)
Electronic - Idiot Country
Electronic - Reality
Electronic - Tighten Up
Electronic - Feel Every Beat
Electronic - Disappointed (single mix)
Electronic - Forbidden City
Electronic - For You
Electronic - One Day
Electronic - Second Nature
The Other Two - Tasty Fish (album vers.)
The Other Two - Selfish (The Single Mix)
The Other Two - Selfish (That Pop Mix)
Monaco - What Do You Want from Me?
Monaco - Happy Jack

(surprisingly strong, I find I listen to this quite a bit. This disc generously pretends that Revenge never happened! also 'Twisted Tenderness' is absent and the last Other Two album which I haven't even heard. The second Monaco album is ignored because I don't remember anything from it).
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I love these CDs probably more than any non-person thing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I made a 16-disc box set of New Order as a summer project last year (designed like Heart and Soul, except obviously more extensive due to the fact that NO's been around for about 10 times as long as JD were). If I was ever going to burnout on New Order, that would've been the time to do so. I came dangerously close.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost way up there:


I like JD and NO equally -- I can't really compare them; they fill completely different roles in my life.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link

And now that I'm listening to Technique again for the first time in a while...damn. What a band.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dream Attack" on Technique. Ahhhhhhhh.......I love New Order.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned and I listened to a record together! We had a dance party! Alex, join us!

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

funny, I just did the same to introduce my girlfriend's brother to the bands. They're not purely in chronological order, but mostly:

portable Joy Division 1:19:27:

Warsaw
No Love Lost
The Kill
All of This For You
Digital
Sound of Music
Excersise One
Dead Souls
Disorder
Day of the Lords
Insight
Interzone
She's Lost Control
Transmission
Atrocity Exhibition
Isolation
Twenty Four Hours
Decades
These Days
Atmosphere
Love Will Tear Us Apart


portable New Order 1:18:45:

Ceremony (substance version)
Dreams Never End
Procession
Everything's Gone Green
Temptation (substance version, not 81-2ep)
Age of Consent
The Village
Blue Monday
Confusion
Love Vigilantes
Perfect Kiss (12" mix) while choosing some versions to keep short, I had to go all out here
Bizarre Love Triangle (Brotherhood version)
Subculture
Fine Time
True Faith

Spencer, as far as side projects, what about all the stuff on the Cool As Ice comps? I think that contains some of Bernards most amazing productions, clearly he was more then just a twiddling knobs on those tracks, but programming the sounds, the drums etc.

And while here, anyone have info on the Red Turns To 12"? New Order with the singer from OMD apparently?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(the role of "a dance party" in the previous post will be played by "a few posts on an internet message board.") xpost

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

technique really is their finest moment. it was the first NO album i bought when it came out, and i remember feeling vaguely guilty for enjoying it so much in the subsequent years, because at the time it was often considered to be evidence of some kind of decline. but yeah, it's their finest moment. what a record.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Technique really is just a wonderous artefact. I remember being slightly put off by the garish cover (that dayglo cherub thingey), but when "Fine Time" burst through my long suffering woofers and tweeters, it was truly a MOMENT. You know what I'm talkin' bout. Once procured (second semester senior year of college) it didn't leave the turntable for weeks. Any attempts to remove from said turntable (especially if it was during "Run" or "Dream Attack") were met with fisticuffs and beer baths.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 July 2004 05:58 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds like fun!

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. i can't believe I broadly lambasted Movement as ridiculous. Apologies for that.

Wow. You actually retracted that. Whew! (literally wiping brow)

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i like republic more than technique. but i like them both quite a bit.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

And while here, anyone have info on the Red Turns To 12"?

Funny you should mention that one! I was moving some piles of records around the other day in my room and came across that and thought 'hey wow I didn't realize I had that one with me!' and thought I'd play it but didn't. Maybe I will tomorrow. I need to get some sleep now.

I should have joined this thread at work today. Damn.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Just so we're all on the same page here : best New Order album = "Technique", second best = "Get Ready". Agreed?

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

well, no.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

best no album in my book is movement. get ready and technique are joined second.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

what's up with above cdr-makers skipping over "Touched by the Hand of God'?

sexyDancer, Friday, 30 July 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

That was a song where the video was better. Because it was freakin' hilarious.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, but Get Ready was....welll....not good.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

That was the first NO video I ever saw -- and at the time I had no idea what they actually looked like.
So of course I was watching the video and thinking "WTF? This can't be them!". I was relieved when I discovered the truth.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Sonically, "Get Ready" is basically "Brotherhood", except with far better tunes.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Except for "Bizarre Love Triangle" of course.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I've listened to Brotherhood a lot more -- by default, of course, given that I've had it since 1988 -- and both it and Get Ready are tres spiff in their own rights.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Have the New Order cd's been remastered yet? I notice on Amazon.co.uk that the date against most NO cds is now 2000, but none of them say [remastered] after the title. The original Brotherhood cd sounded awful compared to the vinyl (side one of which is the best thing they've ever done).

jamesbion, Friday, 30 July 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

what's up with above cdr-makers skipping over "Touched by the Hand of God'?

My first portable disc listing upthread is f*cked up!

Here is the correct tracklisting:

Ceremony (re-recorded vers from FAC 33T/Substance)
Temptation (5/87 from Substance)
Blue Monday (12" vers. from Substance)
Confusion (5/87 from Substance)
Thieves Like Us
Sub-culture (Robie remix from Substance)
Perfect Kiss (extended vers. from Substance)
Bizarre Love Triangle (12" mix)
True Faith
1963 (94 edit from Best Of)
Touched by the Hand of God
Fine Time
Round & Round
Run
Regret

(same running time 80:56, still chronological)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah! That disc is seriously sounding exciting to me. I'll think I'll make myself a copy!

sexyDancer, Friday, 30 July 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

martin m: Nope. I hated them to death growing up in the 80s and early 90s - they were quite possibly my least favourite band as a kid. After I discovered and loved Joy Division years later, I bought the first few NO records out of curiosity re where the band went after Curtis' suicide. They do have their strong/interesting points (mostly in the rhythm section), and I did enjoy a number of songs (particularly "Everything's Gone Green", "Procession", "Age of Consent", "The Village", "Leave Me Alone") for a while - tellingly, those are all songs where they still had more of the live drums and guitars. In the end, though, they're just not really my thing while Joy Division remains one of my favourite bands of all time. I'll admit that a lot of it has to do with the different voices but I also dislike a lot of the synth sounds/production style in esp the later New Order, which strike me as more thin and cheesy-sounding than even some other synthpop. And I also just don't really think that tunes like "Your Silent Face" really sound that inspired to me. I always found the vocoder track on PCL to be just horrible. For me, bringing electronics into 80s pop was done in much more appealing ways in nearly every other area - funk, hip-hop, fusion, hard rock.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

And, I'll clarify, I do totally love some synthpop songs like "Enjoy the Silence" (which seems to me to achieve more succesfully what NO set out to do) or even stuff like "Video Killed the Radio Star" or "99 Luftballoons" or "Take On Me".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I also dislike a lot of the synth sounds/production style in esp the later New Order, which strike me as more thin and cheesy-sounding than even some other synthpop.

I have to disagree with this since New Order almost never sounds cheesy to me in a these-are-old-electronics kind of way. The sounds have come out surprisingly timeless. As much as I love Joy Division (top 10 band for me), I would say that Ian Curtis heavy vocal style is perhaps the most dated sounding thing on my compilations (except for maybe "586" which sounds like a tv show theme from 1986)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the cheesy part of NO is the lyrics, which can usually be ignored.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link


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