Hip Hop taken to new levels.

Read it motherfuckers.

and while you're at it don't miss Mr. Baraka's insightful, inspiring poem about the WTC disaster

Is the so called "progressive" really all that progressive?

and while you're at it don't miss Mr. Baraka's insightful, inspiring poem about the WTC disaster

And yet, Blues People is a more incredible work than anything anyone on ILM has accomplished...a more important work as well. That I can't believe more of you haven't read.
Baraka Rock-a's.

ddrake exposes his secret rockist heart non-shockah!

I'm not gonna get much support here from the ILM regs, even if some of them agree with me, so I'ma bounce and get some homework done.
Gimme a book report on Blues People, Ned. Word.

And yet, The Decameron is a more complex work than Jones/Baraka has produced...wft is your point? If people can't write masterpieces, they shouldn't say anything? Not that I'm conceding Blues People (which I have read, ages ago, thanks so much) is a masterpiece, just wondering if it's your opinion that only the authors of masterpieces should talk.

If you've read it, you clearly haven't comprehended it.

And yet, The Decameron is a more complex work than Jones/Baraka has produced...wft is your point? If people can't write masterpieces, they shouldn't say anything? Not that I'm conceding Blues People (which I have read, ages ago, thanks so much) is a masterpiece, just wondering if it's your opinion that only the authors of masterpieces should talk

And how does an article about the WTC relate to anything we're talking about in this thread? You were using it to discredit his OTHER book, which I believe has relevence in this conversation.

John, this is the same person who thinks he needs to know everything and anything about a genre before commenting on it properly and yet is more than happy to accuse you of knowing nothing about something if you happen to have general conclusions that don't match with his own. And yes, that includes assuming you haven't read something he has, because obviously only he knows about it and is more than happy to tell you at high volume if necessary. If arguing with Geir is like punching Jello, arguing with ddrake is like punching stinky Jello that complains about your sense of humor as well and then gets bitter and hides.

This is not good proof of your omniscience.

Nihilist Pop Star I dunno if that was for one, some or all of us on this thread which showed ilx at its worst, refusing to give a straight answer to somebody whose question was a fine, honest question, but either way, that's one awesome picture

John, this is the same person who thinks he needs to know everything and anything about a genre before commenting on it properly and yet is more than happy to accuse you of knowing nothing about something if you happen to have general conclusions that don't match with his own. And yes, that includes assuming you haven't read something he has, because obviously only he knows about it and is more than happy to tell you at high volume if necessary. If arguing with Geir is like punching Jello, arguing with ddrake is like punching stinky Jello that complains about your sense of humor as well and then gets bitter and hides.

Ned is clearly someone who thinks he comprehends what I am saying without actually listening to what I am saying. "Cultural Context" = "Knowing everything about a genre"?
"high volume"? We're on a message board. Congratulations, you have better hearing than I.
Personal attack, comparison to the village idiot, hilarious.

What a "rockist" perspective of literature! R Kelly is a pedophile, therefore I no longer can listen to the Ignition Remix.

HAHAHA! You picked the wrong example there! But John can do the honors.

Your relevence to this thread's discussion is nonexistent.
Its like 5th grade again! Gang up on me and take my lunch money, please.

again, not sure those really answer the question per se but are worth checking out. the only example of #1 i can think of at the moment is the roots, "water" off phrenology, which i think is consciously an evocation of prog in a hip hop context.

#2 i don't know of any off the top of my head but i would love to hear this attempted. why not?

#4 try digging into non-western hip hop, you're certain to hear some more unusual flows that way.

Fine, but that's a very arguable position - not one you can "Bam!" as though revealing the Truth From On High. I'd argue that context limits the capacity for insight, and a fair number of people who think about reading/interpretation would tend to agree.

Ned I'm assuming he read the Ignition thread, but to discredit the example: if Kelly wrote songs that were as wretched as his behavior, that'd be different. When a writer adds something wretched to his body of work, it's fair to reevaluate that entire body of work and individual texts within it. Bam!

cue Momus's entrance

And for today, class, the word to spell correctly is 'relevance.'

Now please, say something relevant or shut up. :-)

James

So why when I argue this position am I met with comparisons to this Geir fellow? Who I felt like disembowling the moment I read his posts, incidently.

Ned I'm assuming he read the Ignition thread, but to discredit the example: if Kelly wrote songs that were as wretched as his behavior, that'd be different. When a writer adds something wretched to his body of work, it's fair to reevaluate that entire body of work and individual texts within it. Bam!

I didn't see that thread, but while I see yr point, I don't think that this is the case here. While Baraka may have become senile in his old age, and Blues People is not an airtight argument per se, it is one that deserves fair treatment. Judge it in the context of the WTC writing if you must, but keep in mind - different time, place, and completely different issue.
I can't think of a musical example to compare it to, but let me put it this way: No matter how offensive this poem may be, it doesn't change the continued relevence of the work he has done in the past.

ie. if you got something to say fukker say it cuz you ain't said shit yet
The irony!

And for today, class, the word to spell correctly is 'relevance.'

Yeah, this board needs an edit button. Blow me.

You have discovered the joy that is ddrake! Revel in his love for you, for without someone to demonize, he would not exist.

Precisely.

Because ddrake said so. (So okay, maybe entirely taking it back to him all the time isn't the best approach, but he likes the attention.)

Ooh, an actual argument.

"academic posturing..." as if I've learned this in college. No, its impossible that these are my OWN ideas and from experience, I have come to these conclusions? Please, my black history professor freshman year was on tenure, I learned shit in that class. Ha.

Someone needs to ban the prefix "psuedo."
Not bullshit. This is a serious argument I'm making, and I don't see why its necessary to belittle it with accusations of "psuedo-intellectualism." I wouldn't accuse INTENTIONAL race politics of coming into yr question, but rather culturally ingrained issues of race. I certainly wouldn't claim to be the all-knowledgeable god of hip hop, but man, discussing hip hop on ILM makes me want to hurl.

There's a difference between Sun Ra and Art Ensemble of Chicago and Anthony Braxton and Bill Evans (token white progressive dude) and ... Yes and Rush and Genesis. If you are looking for the Sun Ra/Art Ensemble/etc. artists, I'll tell you when I find some. Meanwhile, I'd like to point out that my initial comments were directed towards the assumed "progressivism" of using instrumental solos. How "trad" can you GET?! Frankly, yr number 4 I'd be very interested in seeing more of. Admittedly, my initial white comment was meant to provoke. It did. I am happy. yay!

Because ddrake said so.

It really is like being out on the playground again.
Cinniblount has yet to say anything relevent.
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PPS: Oberlin is a shitty school
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