this is the thread where the ILM massive teach mark s a *LESSON*

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"it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples."

I can't believe you think steely dan and hall and oates samples can age. They're deathless! And "I Can't Go For That" seems to be more popular now than at any time since it came out.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


i'm so out of touch it's faux-ironic.

but seriously: the turtles... the turtles.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

have you heard Sleater-Kinney yet, Mark?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 May 2003 01:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Listen to some New Orleans brass band. Rebirth Brass Band's 'Hot Venom' is probably the most accessible, well-recorded, hip-hop influenced street shit out there right now. New Birth Brass Band's 'D-Boy' has all the classics and it sounds great too. This shit is the funkiest music on earth, it's loud, it's got soul, and no one listens to it.

You can get all the shit here.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(re sleater: you'll like the earlier stuff better -- try Call The Doctor)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second Dave M. on Dave Tarras, but I'd reccomend his long-unavailable and recently reissued masterpiece with the Musiker Bros., Tanz!.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mmmmm. Tanz! is great. Actually my favorite klezmer album of all time is Mickey Katz's "The Family Danced", which is very cheesy and 'not klezmer' according to a leading source.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)''

you crack me up duuude!

well since you don't buy that many recs I suspect that my tape is of a newish model. its a TDK 90 minute tape (do you have many of those with that length?).

Open the case and inside you should have the sticker labels attached. in fact it doesn't just have the sticker labels but it has other more 'colourful' labels (one is of a car, another is a guitar, and another has a cup of a tea , a star and a heart).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'd recommend the CDs that come with Brooklyn art magazine Cabinet. So far they've had CDs focused on the sound of weather, the sound of childhood, and the aesthetics of failure. These disks are the most stimulating thing I've heard in the last couple of years.

Cabinet, available online as well, is a brilliant read if you find yourself intrigued by these sorts of things:

How does his lifelong habit of nosepicking bring Jonathan Ames to the subject of the word 'bice'?

Might 'the cute' be as important as 'the sublime', and might one put together 15 theses about it?

How might Brian Dewan do a school slideshow (deadpan, absurd, horrific) of the Book of Deuteronomy?

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The first album by Storm and Stress. Also "Plays for Lovers" by Beefeater.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think you have a high enough opinion of Lloyd Cole.

Why don't you listen to, say, the first half of his LP DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME BABE (1991)?

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Queen 'A Nigtht At The Opera'

ss, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm... try "If only I could remember my name?" by David Crosby. It's a recent acquisition on my part and I'm still getting my head around it, but it's rather wonderful, especially if the sun is out like it is today. It's a spring / summer kind of record, but with a bit of darkness around the edges. And it's a fiver in the HMV sale.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

er thats in russian. but theres ap icture of him with his scarf hiding the gills (?!)"
and opera no.2
for the good tune..

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sorry i thin kthat should be this, otherwise you have to go thru some menus in ruissian
...oh also, listen to some ....of this:revive!

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dave M., we should start a klezmer thread if there isn't one already (and I'm assuming there probably is).

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

mark - i'm sure it won't change what u think abt anything but please write something abt the Rocky Horror Show musical or any one song from it if you prefer

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mark - Dynamite MC "Rush the DJ", Sticky feat Lady Stush "Dollar Sign" or The Blue Nile's Hats - I'd like to read you on these.

(Momus, can it be set up so that everyday you send me one link of 'required' reading - your internet mobility is astonishing and that link above is amazing). (Can I get that magazine sent to me in Scotland, I wonder.)

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 16:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anything post-1995 by Jethro Tull

dave q, Friday, 9 May 2003 09:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

something on Al Green?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(Notice that if you just read the fully capitalized words in mark s's original message it reads: DON'T CHANGE THE WAY I THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 9 May 2003 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

An interesting idea. I know a bit more about your tastes than some here, so I'll have a guess at a few tunes I love that you might not know.

Dyke & the Blazers - The Wrong House. The funkiest group of all time go on a medium-paced workout while Dyke goes on this ridiculous spiel about breaking up with his girl and then coming back and finding this huge bloke there. The best "brrr!" sounds this side of General Johnson, and very funny.

Willie Tee - Walking Up A One-Way Street. The most delightful clash between lyric and music ever. The title is a metaphor for how tough Willie's life is, as if he is walking up a one-way street, going the wrong way with everything against him (yes, it is a fucked metaphor because they're only one-way for vehicles), but the music makes the Archers theme sound dour, as cheery and perky and whistly as you can imagine.

Daddy Freddy - Pain Killa. Remember that chugging, clanking reggaeish rhythm from Oh Carolina? This is sort of like a poppier and more soulful version of that. I find it irresistible.

George Jones - Honky Tonk Song. We all often assume that the classical country style is a thing of the past, but this is from 1996. George was a major league drunk who was married to Tammy Wynette. Once she hid the keys for their 11 (I think it was) trucks and cars. They lived in a big ranchhouse ten miles out of town. George was picked up by the police riding their lawnmower down the highway. This is the song about that. It features the line "My wife took my car keys away, and she won't drive me to drink."

UltraViolence - Hardcore Motherfucker. Extreme hardcore industrial techno, with a woman with a voice something like Princess Diana's repeating the title over and over, for about eight minutes.

Trammps - Penguin At The Big Apple/Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart. From their debut, The Legendary Zing! Album (warning: there's a cheapo comp out now, and it is inferior rerecordings), this is gloriously beautiful string-based early disco, with as good a "Hah!" as you'll find anywhere as the first vocal bit, and two great vocal performances.

Esquerita - Maybe Baby. Imagine if Little Richard was more camp, more outrageous, more colourful, louder and faster and a more potent and raucous pianist. Imagine that the godlike Little Richard was in many ways a watered-down version of another performer. You don't have to imagine. My favourite pianist ever.

DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince - He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper. Jeff still gets respect from other DJs, but not much wider fame, except as a hopeless minor figure in an old sitcom. Will Smith is one of the world's great movie stars, so we don't take his records seriously (but wasn't Nod Your Heads terrific?). But he was an exceptionally nimble and witty rapper, and Jeff is one of the greatest hip hop DJs of all time. This is I think their punchiest number, but the whole album is wonderful.

Brainbug - Nightmare (Sinister Strings Edit). If you wanted the perfect modern housey theme to match the shower scene music in Psycho, this is it.

Luther Barnes & the Reverend F.C. Barnes and the Red Budd Gospel Choir - My God Can Do Anything. An insanely rocking disco gospel number, with about a dozen great singers roaring away while the bass and drums and piano storm through what could almost be classic rock 'n' roll. Goes off the boil when they don't finish it properly, but the first couple of minutes are astounding.

Billy Ward & the Dominoes - The Bells. They called that overemotional crooning style of the late '50s 'sobbing' at times. I bet they felt stupid when they heard this. Clyde McPhatter was a pretty bonkers singer most of the time (Clyde : Jackie Wilson (his later replacement in this group) :: Esquerita : Little Richard), but on this he goes completely batshit, screaming and crying and wailing when he isn't hitting mad falsetto notes. The most over emotional record ever made, no contest.

Clarence 'Frogman' Henry - Ain't Got No Home. Most of you'll know him for 'I Don't Know Why I Love You But I Do', smooth New Orleans R&B singing. But why that name? Here's why. He sings the first verse of this more stompy R&B number normally. For the second, he takes on the identity and voice of a girl. For the third, he claims to be a lonely frog, and sings as if a frog. Yes, honestly. I sometimes think it's the greatest record ever made.

Louis Prima - Basin Street Blues/When It's Sleepy Time Down South. Louis is one of my favourite singers ever (you all know his King Louis in the Jungle Book), not unlike a sillier Louis Armstrong. I love this one especially for its transition between the two songs, always a strong point of his - he did loads of these pairings. It's untranscribeable, but it's something like "You know the moon is pale and the sun is, and the sun is gone, and and the steamboats are coming and they're splashing and they're going WOO WOO ah babazooza" and he's into the next tune. How someone comes up with that is a mystery to me.

(also listen to Jordan re the Rebirth Brass Band - they are magnificent)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 9 May 2003 22:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hellfish and Producer - "No More Rock and Roll"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 9 May 2003 22:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha justyn beat me to suggesting the sleater: but unlike sterling i suggest you hear "hot rock". also MARY TIMONY/HELIUM. SHE IS OH MY GOD.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 10 May 2003 01:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Get the National Forest album as soon as it comes out.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 10 May 2003 11:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I never tire of recommending Oum Kalthoum's Robaiyat el Khayam.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know what I expect you to learn from it though.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Or listen to Louie Ramirez y Sus Hermanos, especially for "En un Beso la Vida," if you want something more immediately catchy. Take note of the brilliant delayed entry of the timbales. Admire the remarkable vocals of Azuquita which bing-bong around like an old fashioned pin-ball machine.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(btw RS have you seen that Keely Smith is doing a NYC residency? thought of ya whn saw that)

H (Heruy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 21:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, Martin... Haven't heard "The Bells," but if you like high drama weeping in your R&B, you might want to check out Jackie and the Starlites. The "hit" is called "Valerie," though the formula is more or less applied to every other song they do. More comical than sad, but I've never heard anything quite like it... I'll look for "The Bells"...

flightsatdusk (flightsatdusk), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It's certainly on a Billy Ward & the Dominoes comp that I have, but you have to be careful as there are comps of, for instance, only the stuff with Jackie Wilson on vocals. That's all worth having too, of course.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 11 May 2003 10:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Freddy Fender, "Wasted Days & Wasted Nights"

dave q, Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

...or anyway some small thing abt something

so the suggestion:
Garmarna's Hildegard von Bingen alb (2001)

or if you should not care to listen to the entire record -- seven weird-to-wonderful folk'lectronic reworkings of the saintly abbess's songs + one a cappella + one original Garmarna instrumental; 'bout forty minutes all in all -- then take just one track, "Unde Quocompque"
that one 'has it all', more or less: bumping house-y beats and subdued micro-pulses, violin & hurdy-gurdy hoedowns, Emma's angelic plainchantin' & vocoder vox -- alternately or simultaneously

i dunno whether it'd change your views on Hildegard or Garmarna (in case you have any), but it could incline you to think different 'bout, say, Enigma's take on pop+medieval

...Garmarna's Hildegardiana should be downloadable, i supppose - if not, i can make you a cd-r

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i. julio today i found yr tape after exactly 3 seconds of looking, right in the middle of the shelf where i looked abt 4567878 times before = the work of the 50000000-yr-old alien martian goblins of hob's lane
ii. remind me was it LICK MY DECALS?
iii. i am back in action and thinking abt stuff on this thread (eg FREAK OUT at the moment, since i actually own it)
iv. don't stop till i get enough (obv i shall have to supply at least some comeback)
v. once again thx all, i am going to get my slsk chops in order soon and then hob's yr uncle

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 18 May 2003 12:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes it was lick my decals. on both sides. the remaining 5 mins was taken up with a secret extra track for you to guess (you have talked abt this track before on ILM, um maybe not this exact one track but you have talked abt the artist and what he is doing, this is also taped on both sides).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 May 2003 13:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i. Jean-Luc Guillonet, Axene (Groundfault)
ii. Hate Eternal, King of All Kings (Earache)
iii. Chaotic Dischord, "Fuck Religion, Fuck Politics, Fuck the Lot of You"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 18 May 2003 16:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I don't know who Keely Smith is, H.)

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 18 May 2003 17:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Kind of Blue', 'A Love Supreme'

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 18 May 2003 17:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sir lord baltimore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 19:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mungo Jerry's "Tramp"

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 19:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Keely Smith was a smooth old jazz singer who was married to and worked with the mighty Louis Prima, until he caught her "performing s sex act on" (I can only think of one thing anyone would describe thus) an agent, I think it was.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 18 May 2003 21:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the version of that story i heard had this guy doing it w. keely & then he became aware of someone LICKING HIS BALLS, he turned round & Louis Prima punched him in the face

duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 21:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

best breakup story evah!

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 18 May 2003 22:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh man. I had no idea that's how Prima and Keely Smith broke up. That's...ugh. me no like that story.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 18 May 2003 22:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

this is not the lesson i wz expecting so DUANE WINS!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's in a tosches book, good stuff

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Interstellar Space by John Coltrane and Rashied Ali since you seem to have dismissed St John (which is pretty understandable if you've ever read anyone write about him or if you've ever been stuck in a room with someone talking about how spiritual A Love Supreme is).

hamish (hamish), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, if spirituality = dull, i guess. i agree. that record is annoying anyway. add full muso desription of what a giant step giant steps is, and why ad infinatum.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that record is annoying anyway.

Which one? Interstellar Space or A Love Supreme?

hamish (hamish), Monday, 19 May 2003 09:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i already like interstellar space hamish, but i will relisten and write about it i promise

mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 May 2003 09:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

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