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oh man i can't get started on this today...

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 26 December 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

i dont listen to a lot of jazz vocalists, but i tend to be in favor of them. i think part of the problem (of dislike) may be generational. now (maybe since punk?) "classiness" is not a virtue, and an album like coltrane and hartman can sound too silky, too proper, whereas back then the style was more common. it would be dumb to let the now-upscale context of vocal jazz ruin enjoyment of the obvious beauty of a record like the aforementioned. that record is also a great example of the potential for heightened interaction that can be had by a band "supporting" a vocalist.

i really like sarah vaughan as well. she has the same sensitivity as the best instrumentalists. there is a version somewhere of "they cant take that away from me" where she sings the word "key" in the line "the way you sing off key" off key and its fucking brilliant.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 26 December 2003 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
The June 2004 issue of Downbeat has a list of the Top 30 All-Time Vocal Jazz Albums. A lot of the choices are, predictably, predictable, but I still enjoyed looking it over. It's unfamiliar enough territory to me that I still found about some new things.

I think I need to start checking out jazz magazines. I don't like most of the genre, but what else is there currently? Obviously that will seem like an outrageous question, but fundamentally that's how I feel. Outside of some foreign things, there's not too much new music for my to get excited about beyond some avant-garde jazz and accessible experimental music.

(I've been forgetting to use my new e-mail address.)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 7 June 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Anita O'Day was looked at as an equal in individual band settings -- hell, she was probably the first female vacalist to wear slacks!

Lambert, Hendricks and Ross might deserve mention, too.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
While browsing ESP's web-site, I just discovered that those broadcast recordings have some mystery cuts that show up on a couple Billie Holiday cassettes I once bought. I don't know why I've overlooked those ESP recordings for so long. I knew they existed, but never got around to looking into them. I think they probably get dismissed a lot, but I prefer recordings from late in her career, in general.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

well, I bet no one's going to mention Jack Teagarden. Who was a great, great vocalist as well as being a superb trombonist. The thing is, what we now call "jazz" vocalists were once upon a time "vocalists," period. The term's been distorted. I'm not a fan of scat singing, even when Ella does it; not do I much like Annie Ross or Blossom Dearie, who just seem too precious. The line is Armstrong-Teagarden-Bing Crosby-Sinatra anyway. McKinney's Cotton PIckers featured some pretty cool vocals. Al Hibbler and Johnny Hartman are certainly great as well. Early Betty Carter, before she just got mired in her mannerisms, is good; much of Carmen McRae's stuff is also classic.

Anyway, anyone interested ought to pick up Teagarden's "Mis'ry and the Blues," from the early '60s...mellow, good-natured stuff.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i had another jazz with vocals (specifically choirs) phase a few months ago. here were my purchases,,, all amazing

Annette Peacock - My Mama Never Taught Me How To Cook
Archie Shepp - Attica Blues
Archie Shepp - The Cry of My People
Carla Bley - Escalator Over The Hill
Donald Byrd - A New Perspective
Eddie Gale - Black Rhythm Happening
Eddie Gale - Ghetto Music

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Jason, have you heard Max Roach's 'Lift Every Voice'?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

see upthread!

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Search! Sarah Vaughan at Mister Kelly's
Search! Abbey Lincoln, especially Abbey is Blue or You Gotta Pay the Band and subsequent releases.
Search! Claudia Acuña - Wind From The South
Search! Rosemary Clooney with Duke Ellington - Blue Rose

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Search! Ella Fitzgerald Sings The Duke Ellington Songbook
Search! Ella Fitzgerald Sings The Duke Ellington Songbook
Search! Dinah Washington - In The Land Of HiFi

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

JBR once again reveals impeccable taste, being the only person to mention the great Eddie Jefferson on this thread.

Ernie Andrews is another great one who doesn't get talked about much.

Betty Carter's Feed the Fire, from '93 with DeJohnette, Holland and Geri Allen, was a fine disc, doesn't sound over "mannered" at all.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I've heard jazz critics argue about jazz singers: some don't like 'em any more than does the guy that started this thread. Any virtuosic singer 9any performer, but esp. singer, cos the voice is more likely to get a gut response) can eventually get/seem too mannered, too predictable, anyway. Not just in jazz, in anything. Any such is ripe ffor parody, even if you still loveum. So let's not dismiss this whole are of activity in jazz anymore than we might in (name any other fave/acceptable genre). I do remember almost ODing on some Smithsonian Anthology's accumulating Fine Art, only to be revived by slender thread of Jeri Southern's "Dancing On The Ceiling" and Ella Fitzgerald's deedle-dee-deeing (mannered? She seems too unself-conscious for that, and too straight ahead). Speaking of slender threads, also dig the (still active, I think) Sheila Jordan, though like the similarly agile-in-"old-age" Ella, she may still be too girly for some! More into working with the lyrics, and with the less common scat techniques, than is Ella. The best new young jazz vocalist I've heard sounds nothing like Norah (and if you like her, cjeck Madeline Peyroux's DREAMLAND, with James Carter and Cyrus Chesnut, not to mention checking some bargain-bin k.d. lang). The best is Hillary Maroon, who sings with a Brooklyn jazz-rock (but nver fusion! Gawd no!) band called Maroon. Like ringing a bell, as the song about a guitar, but still)says. MIGRATORY AND WHO THE SKY BETRAYS are what they've done so far, and they'll start a new one soon. Xpost Annette Peacock? Hillary covers one of hers, but I've never heard anything by A.P. herself, despite intriguing mentions. What's she like??

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

when i first asked about annette peacock, i was told she was sort of a female Tim Buckley circa Starsailor, but i wouldn't even compare the two. not that one is better or worse than the other, they're just worlds apart.

AP sings in a gruff bluesy tone over sorta out, blues rock jams. at times she reminds me of Linda Sharrock (especially on the fusiony Paradise album). she also does a bunch of sing/talk stuff and has often been compared to Patti Smith (even though it's the other way around as she like to point out in her hillarious liner notes - she's an egomaniac, but almost has a right to believe the stuff she belives). she was the first person to sing through a Moog keyboard, and some of that stuff is just WILD. the other closest comparison i have is that Escalator Over the Hill album. both very, very of their 70s times

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

wait, was anita o'day considered a jazz singer?

youn, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with don as far as I understand him. Jazz singing, like jazz itself, has a different vocabulary from rock so if people aren't used to it they think it sounds mannered (the same might happen with Broadway showtune singing, although I think people hear more of that so they get used to it more quickly). Even if there are some corny stereotyped jazzbo torch singers out there you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and shut your ears to the good singers. The first jazz singer I liked was Dinah Washington, probably because she was the most like an R and B singer. i think some rock fans might also like "outside" singing because it's something more familiar to them. I also have a suspicion that some of the jazz critics mentioned above (I don't know who they are) who look down on the lowly singer are perhaps bullies who kiss up to tough-guy instrumentalists and pick on the easy, smaller target-the chick singer.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone ever hear of Monica Lewis?

I bought an EP of hers from the early 50s at an antique shop a few years back, found out it was worth a nice chunk of change and sold it, but I recall a really pretty version of "Fools Rush In" that I'd like to hear again.

jsk baby (jsk baby), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I like those Charlie Haden Quartet West tribute to film noir records, where he interpolates old records including vocals and even some film dialogue with new material, although maybe he made too many of them. There were some nice singers on there, but maybe pop and not jazz- Jo Stafford, maybe?

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

ESCALATOR, by Carla Bley, Paul Bley's wife, before Annette! H'mm. He's recorded albums of their songs, titled CARLA and ANNETTE, fittingly enough. Speaking of caps, sorry: MIGRATORY and WHO THE SKY etc. are two different Maroon albums. So, she had the Patti sound before Patti, eh? Ken, I think any vivid style, especially vocal stye, because it's more "personal" (like, "what's that *person* over there doing") creates a backlash, eventually (or at the same time: people were doing parodies on Dylan and Madonna as soon as they became well-enough known to be good targets; even *fans* liked to do this! Fans like me!) Anita O'Day rocks and jazzes, whatever you want to call it. Check her with Roy Eldridge and Gene Krupa, and in the innovative concert movie (a little too jazzy to be a "documentary"), JAZZ ON A SUMMER'S DAY. Mainly, I don't like anything too mannered, like Rat Pack-self-identified Sinatra (in early 60s rut). But check is LIVE IN AUSTRALIA, backed by Red Norvo's combo.

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

john hendricks is awesome, from what little I've heard

tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Another Anita O'Day album to check out is TIME FOR TWO with Cal Tjader.
It's just perfect.

xpost

Dr Benway (dr benway), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

For a male vocalist who could really SING -- I mean not just nice pipes, but a guy with great musical ideas who used his voice like an instrument -- check out Mark Murphy. Kind of the precursor to what Kurt Elling is doing today.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i love the two early 70s murphy records i have.
Mark Murphy - cd/sd

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Mose Allison, something of a forerunner of Randy Newman, Bob Dylan, even John Prine. But a pianist, not a guitarist (not that Dylan hasn't recorded wonderful tracks featuring his piano, with "IF Dogs Run Free" probably the most Mose-like, *and* self-parodic:"across the swamp o' time" indeed!). And his voice is as smooth as all these later guys' are rough. Insolently polite, often enough.(My fellow Southerner, after all.)

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

another good Clooney collab--"A Touch of Tabasco" with Perez Prado. I've got it on a CD w/ her Ellington collab and I actually prefer it.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Rosemary was the first singer I remember. Rosemary Clooney and Julius LaRosa (I liked their names, for one thing). Always enjoyed "Come On-a My House" and "Mambo Italiano" ("Mamma Mia ats-a spicey meatball!")(most of my childhood memories involve food)(so I should check out "Tabasco" too)(I realize she established herself later as a serious jazz singer, but haven't heard so much of/in that)

don, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I'm a big Helen Merrill fan. Anyone else?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 13 March 2005 08:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The self titled Helen Merrill album with Clifford Brown is sublime. "You'd Be So Nice to Come Home To" is so yummy.

todd (todd), Sunday, 13 March 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
That's a great one, for sure, and the only thing of hers that stays consistently in print. I also dig 'Dream of You' (with Gil Evans) and her 'Duets' record with Ron Carter (wild!). Something about her voice is so dry, yet so sensual.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 7 April 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Heard Billie Holiday and Dakota Staton songs on the radio today. Just gorgeous.

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 January 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.divaville.org

I used to DJ at her old station, and it was always cool to watch her shift begin, as she brought in crates and crates of vocal jazz.

bendy, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

David Raposa, et al.,

Why hasn't anyone defended Peggy Lee in the time intervening David's comment at the top of this thread and now? Haven't you heard Black Coffee?

bamcquern, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Somebody said something bad about Peggy Lee upthread?

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 10 April 2008 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

nobody said nothing about Joe Williams upthread (ok neither would i have 4 years ago, went through a phase of jw last year). love that 'flickering' thing he did with his otherwise luxurious baritone and he was equally adept at blues and soul jazz and such as he was with the jazz standards from what i've heard.

tremendoid, Thursday, 10 April 2008 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link

and i still haven't heard much of the count basie stuff with which he made his name. and he was claire huxtable's dad!

tremendoid, Thursday, 10 April 2008 02:53 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post James Redd

Maybe not, maybe it's just a poorly thought-out paragraph that can be ambiguously interpreted.. Practically the second post in the thread.

bamcquern, Thursday, 10 April 2008 06:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, now I see the problem.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 11 April 2008 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Here is a Peggy Lee thread for further reference Peggy Lee is the Bomb

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 11 April 2008 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

joe williams is incredible

right now im listening to 'traveling miles,' after being reminded of cassandra's existence by the new yorker :-/ but 'run the voodoo down' is pretty impressive

deej, Thursday, 19 June 2008 05:49 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I'm looking for Chanukah ideas! Joe Williams might work. Dinah Washington sounded great the other weekend on WPFW radio. Hmmm what to get.

I wanna see that Anita O'Day bio doc that is showing in DC (I think it may still be around that is).

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

RIP Chris Connor.

Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 September 2009 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I gave her own thread yesterday and Scott Seward and I were the only ones who posted on it

Chris Connor (jazz vocalist) R.I.P.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 September 2009 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I really should listen to Gretchen Parlato, who won the 2009 Village Voice Jazz Vocals critics award category. I wonder if she's as good as they think--or should I just stick with older recordings.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Older recordings by jazz vocal legend types I mean.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Liked her live performance better than the record of hers that I bought, but haven't heard the latest.

the clones of tldr funkenstein (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I watched 2 youtube videos--one where she was going for a Brazilian bossa feel and one where she sang in a quicker tempo than I'm used to for jazz vocals. Haven't made up my mind yet

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that fact that she sings Brazilian numbers in the original Portuguese.

the clones of tldr funkenstein (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep that's good, although maybe some Brazilians might be picky about her accent.

Also worth mentioning on this thread (or maybe she has one of her own) is that I received a copy of the new Nina Simone bio, "Princess Noire: the Tumultuous Reign of Nina Simone," done by the author of a Dinah Washington bio (and other books including one on Chess Records) Nadine Cohodas. She lives in DC but I've never seen any mention of her doing any readings/appearances for any of her books (George Pelecanos does them all the time). I've never actually read any of her books but would like too. Not sure why kind of reviews she gets.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Not sure what kind of reviews she gets

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link


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