Anarchy in Baghdad

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about the family structure and anarchy, it is also a model that have yet to be well theorized (to my knowledge) and mass mediatized to inspire people. I'll write an article to gather my thoughts on the subject and, why not, go the extra mile and try to see how it could be practical in real life by interviewing school social workers, getting them to ask x amount of families who's kids got bad grades to adopt this model and see how things would turn out compared to the families sticking to the traditional model. If done with rationality, I think kids should be treated as citizens with responsibilities so they'll get a social conscience early on.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

sidenote - the Argentina example is a bit misleading. the exchange system worked for a little while until counterfeiting of the coupons used in the trade system began, 'inflation' hit and ppl got screwed all over again. that article doesn't even mention any of those issues and nobody i've seen interviewed considered the system 'fun' in any way.

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you for the details on the argentina example, I'll have to look into this more closely. There might be a lesson to learn there... on top of my head I'm thinking "heavily encrypted digital signatures". and so it goes.

the 'fun' bit was a gauche way to relate to the readers coming from a culture of leisure.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Meanwhile, back in Baghdad, they're burning books and manuscripts in the library, and ripping apart the museum.

Anarchy is stupid.

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

marcel have you ever read an anarchy faq?
is anarchy the same thing as "chaos" to you?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

the coupons thinks just goes to further demonstrate that money is just a short hand. It means nothing in itself, its just a more convenient way of exchanging work for stuff. People are very resourceful, they find away, of course some people will always try and subvert this.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've seen use the word anarchy used in the medias to mean looting etc before what Ed said in his first post started to happen.
thank you for this thread btw :-)

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

... i got slightly carried away writing my last post.
let me correct it:
"I've seen the word anarchy used in the medias to mean looting etc before what Ed described in his first post started to happen"

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

you didn't correct your use of the word 'medias' though
/grammar Nazi

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ed, the whole point is that you started this thread off speaking about how good humans can be at self-government, Sebastian pulled out Argentina as an example of ppl finding ways of working together. i brought up the problems that came up as an example of however ingenius ppl may be in finding ways around problems others will still fuck' em up.

you seem much more utopian/rose-glasses wearing about how ppl will behave in a situation than i am. guess, approach to world

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am an eternal optimist about humanity, I do appreciate that the world is full of selfish people who try and pervert the will of the majority. People just have o find ways of working round them aswell.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 April 2003 09:38 (twenty years ago) link

Why do you get really good "service" in some restaurants, and others you'll spend 2 hours and no one refills your water? It starts at the top. If whoever is in charge of the waitstaff doesn't instill a level of attentiveness people are going to get away with whatever they can get away with. It's not that some place with terrible service has more tasks for your waiter to do and that's why he's not there: it's the culture and values they get from their managers. The OTHER factor is that if a table of 4 people pays $500 for a meal and maybe leaves a $100 tip you're going to fucking make sure you please that table.

FWIW.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

I always give big tips to bad waiters.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

People just have o find ways of working round them aswell.

Well, yeah, but looking over the history of the twentieth century, this has been all the harder to do when dictators are involved, to put it mildly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:31 (twenty years ago) link

...Especially cuz of the technology gap between the weapons of a (dictatorial) govt. and the weapons of its citizens (no, I am not in a militia)

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

maybe we should have a kitchen-based economy rather than a 'front-of-house' economy?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 April 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

If everybody is armed, its hard to herd them in directions they don't - as a society - want to go*.

* - this is not automatically a good thing.

Stuart (Stuart), Thursday, 17 April 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

If everybody is armed, it's easier for them to spiral effortlessly in directions they don't -- as a society -- want to go: e.g. lawlessness, warlordism, perpetual fear, repression, and the absence of any agreed-upon semblance of "justice."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

I always give big tips to bad waiters.

Getting way off-topic, but... don't do that. Your tip is your vote. Don't throw it away. I mean, don't be a dick, but if you feel you've gotten truly substandard service, don't tip well. By doing that, you're sending your message either to the waiter ("maybe you should consider temping") or to the restaurant owner ("you know that guy who's always complaining about how he doesn't make any money? guess why.").

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe he meant that it's harder to forcibly get them to do things that they aren't inclined to do. But, you're right, it'd be easier to effortlessly go in these directions.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

I always worry that the bad tip will just make them more burned-out and hostile. On my cheesier days I even imagine a bad server will see a good tip and get all teary-eyed and think "My customers are such lovely people, I really must try harder to serve them well." Apparently I've borrowed my tipping approach from Jesus.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

(One of my friends once left no tip for a really bad server. But he didn't want her to think we'd just forgotten the tip, so he also left a note explaining why there was no tip. We were getting into a car outside when she burst out through the front doors screaming obscenities at us.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Totally. I had a really weird experience last night at Sea, a new-ish restaurant on N. 6th in Williamsburg. This place is basically trying to out-Planet-Thailand Planet Thailand, insane over-the-top d&233;cor (shallow reflecting pool in middle of dining room, custom maplewood DJ booth with plasma TV screen set into the front, bathrooms reminiscent of escape pods, spherical 70s lounge furniture, what I can only describe as "new-age house music" playing over the not-so-loud speakers), cheaper food, more terrible service. The runners were wearing surgical gloves. Yeeecch. Anyway we're told that our table is gonna be ready in 10 minutes. So we sit at the bar. We don't order anything. After 15 minutes we decide we need some lubrication BUT when the lady behind the bar asks me where my ID is I realize I've forgotten it at home. I sort of smile sheepishly but she's already fixing someone else's. I get her attention again and I'm like "I'm sorry, I've forgotten it, I'm 28 though," and she blows me off very unpleasantly. I stewed about it for like 10 minutes like an idiot but of course the waiter didn't give a shit so we got loaded on Pinot Grigio at our table. As we're leaving the restaurant the bartender cheerfully calls out "bye, baby-face mister!" ?? What fucking grammar is that?? I swear I could have decked her. Were I not ultimately frightened by violence. ha ha nabisco I contemplated leaving a napkin saying "here's your tip: be nice!" so I guess she's got ESP or something

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 April 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

Ed, is this your idea of anarchy?



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Raiders of the Lost Art
Why didn't we protect the National Museum and Library in Baghdad?
By Meghan O'Rourke
Posted Thursday, April 17, 2003, at 4:28 PM PT

The Bush administration and the military have made it sound as though the extensive looting of three major Iraqi cultural institutions in Baghdad this past weekend was not foreseeable. At a Centcom briefing April 15, U.S. Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said, "I don't think anyone anticipated that the riches of Iraq would be looted by the people of Iraq." But in fact the administration had reason to suspect that this looting would happen. During uprisings within Iraq after the first Gulf War, nine of 13 regional museums, in Dohuk and elsewhere, were systematically looted. Many of these artifacts appeared on the international black market. It shouldn't have been a surprise that widespread theft would take place again during an interregnum in Baghdad. What's more, the Pentagon had long ago been informed by archaeologists of the value and importance of these institutions and in fact had drawn up a "No Strike List" of sites to avoid during its shock and awe campaign—a list that included the National Museum. On April 17, the chairman of the President's Advisory Committee on Cultural Property submitted his resignation to President Bush citing "the wanton and preventable destruction" of Iraq's National Museum of Antiquities.

If, like me, you know little about Mesopotamian art, the reports that emerged over the weekend might have found you unable to judge just how significant the loss was. By now it's clear that it's horrifically extensive: Archaeologists in the United States consider the National Museum of Antiquities, thoroughly sacked, to be among the 10 most important museums in the world. It was to Mesopotamian art what the Louvre is to Western painting. It maintained a collection of international antiquities dating back some 5,000 years. Needless to say, many Arab countries and civilians are taking its destruction personally. And yet this destruction was largely unnecessary.

Among the important pieces of art missing is a 4,300-year-old bronze mask of an Akkadian king that is featured in most books of ancient art history. It was on the cover of one of my high school textbooks; I remember wanting to touch its nubbly beard. Also gone is a small limestone statuette of a prince, circa 3300 B.C.; jewelry from the royal tombs of Ur dating to 2500 B.C.; a solid gold harp from the Sumerian era; a series of small ivories dating to the eighth century B.C.; second-century B.C. Parthian sculptures from Hatra; and a collection of around 80,000 cuneiform tablets that contain examples of the some of the world's earliest writing.

The museum's comprehensive collection was unprecedented. Saddam's secularism and his long-term interest in Iraq's archaeological legacy—in part self-serving; he inscribed his name next to Nebuchadnezzar's in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon—had enriched the National Museum's collection. (According to a Financial Times piece from 2000, Saddam reportedly made extensive suggestions in the margins of all reports filed by Iraq's archaeological director, Donny George. He also made antiquities smuggling punishable by death.)

But it's hard to know exactly what's been lost. Because of the U.S. embargo, few American archaeologists had even been in Baghdad since 1991. Several I spoke with noted that we can't rule out the possibility that Saddam Hussein and Baath Party officials may have been selling off items over the years. (In 2000, when the National Museum reopened after renovations for damage done during the first Gulf War, a BBC correspondent wrote that many exhibits and treasures previously at the museum were missing.) One suggested that the initial estimate of 170,000 stolen objects would turn out to be high.

The destruction wrought in the National Library and the Ministry for Religious Affairs, on the other hand, is irreparable: The buildings were burned nearly to the ground. As Michael Sells, a professor of comparative religions at Haverford College and a co-editor of The Cambridge History of Arabic Literature, explained, we'll never have a chance to buy back, on the black market, all the books and manuscripts that were burned—nor will we discover them someday in a criminal's closet. Among them were extensive antique manuscripts that are not available in print, and thousands of illuminated and handwritten Qurans, now in ashes.

How could this happen? The looting of the museum occurred in two waves, according to witnesses and to international art and antiquities experts. The first appears to have been executed by insiders equipped with glass cutters and other tools. Apparently, they knew what they were looking for. The thieves opened glass display cases without smashing them and penetrated the locked vaults in the museum. The second wave of looting was what's known as opportunistic—the kind that Donald Rumsfeld described as the natural exuberance of a country working off the nervous energy occasioned by regime change.

The Pentagon has defended its non-action by saying that it agreed to protect the sites during battle, as distinct from any looting that came afterward. Splitting hairs, anyone? The United States could easily have done more to stop the ransacking. The looting of the museum began on Friday; it extended, according to a BBC radio report, for three days, at which point there still were no guards posted outside the building. Numerous newspapers quote Iraqi citizens who saw American patrols impassively watch as looters carted away vases, jewelry, pots, and other goods. The Guardian reported on Monday that U.S. Army commanders had just rejected a new plea from desperate officials of the Iraq Museum for aid. And the fires at the National Library and the Ministry of Religious Affairs took place two whole days after the looting of the museum began. Americans ought to have protected the museums, just as we posted Army patrols outside the National Ministry of Oil.

The military's inaction doesn't seem to have been a question of choosing between protecting civilians and guarding gold jewelry. The Chicago Tribune reported that the U.S. military successfully assigned men to chip away a disrespectful mural of former President George Bush on the floor of the Al Rashid Hotel, even though it failed to protect the museum and library from being plundered.

Why didn't anyone act? How hard would it have been for someone to call Tommy Franks and say, "This is getting out of hand"? Put bluntly, it seems like the administration just didn't care enough to stop it—an indifference that's part and parcel with its general attitude toward anything other than its military objectives. Rumsfeld appeared genuinely annoyed even to have to answer questions about the ransacking of the museum and library: "We didn't allow it to happen. It happened," he said. This ham-fisted diplomacy immediately gave rise to anti-American conspiracy-mongering: Nine British archaeologists suggested that, in turning a blind eye to the looting, the Bush administration was succumbing to pressure from private collectors to allow treasures to be traded on the open market. Others have suggested the administration wanted the world to feel the symbolic weight of the destruction of Saddam's regime.

What's to be done now? If they haven't already, the military might start by posting guards at the museum—even as a token symbol of respect. Today, UNESCO is holding an emergency meeting in Paris to refine strategies for dealing with the catastrophe. According to antiquities experts, the best chance for recovering the stolen art is seizing it at the borders of Iraq (which U.S. troops are patrolling in the hopes of keeping Baath officials from escaping). A group of archaeologists, including John Malcolm Russell, a specialist in Mesopotamian archaeology at the Massachusetts College of Art in Boston, have drawn up guidelines of what the military should look for, and are urging the U.S. government to offer amnesty and a small reward for all those who have "found" Iraqi art. But for the military to take on this responsibility, the administration itself needs to convey the urgency of the matter—which it has only just begun to do: On Thursday, the FBI announced that it would help in the search to recover antiquities. Although Colin Powell has promised that the United States would help rebuild the city's National Museum, no U.S. official has yet apologized—and there've been few or no words from Bush on the issue.

Only two of the thousands of pieces of art that were stolen after the first Gulf War were recovered, McGuire Gibson, who teaches Mesopotamian archaeology at the University of Chicago, has said. Even if a sculpture of a bronze Akkadian king isn't important to the Bush administration, you'd think its own self-interest would be: In the eyes of the world, the war's success will be measured as much by what happens now and over the coming months as by the shock and awe campaign. And the United States now has a black mark that it could have avoided.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link


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