― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link
But wasn't there a game where he only pinch hit? If you take that game out, then you get 107.9999998
― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
You know, at first I thought this thread was a joke but it's becoming harder and harder to ignore all the evidence that's piling up.
― mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― metfigga (metfigga), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leee O'Gaddy (Leee), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
30 / 20 x 162 = 243
He's currently 90 behind Rickey Henderson (tentatively retired). This projects Bonds ending with 2,313 at season-end. The next closest active player is nearly one thousand walks behind: Frank Thomas at 1,386.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
also:http://www.goldpanners.com/Archive/Cards/2003_Team/03-24_bonds_front%20copy.jpg
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― l. ron gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link
i touched on this earlier in the season but i will return to it again.SFO is #10 in MLB in BA, yet they are #3 in OBP. There was a study done by a statistician that claims that walking Bonds put the opponent at a statistical disadvantage.
The BA:OBP gap is undoubtedly attributed to the [projected] 231 walks awarded to Bonds this year. Whether MVP voters will realize what the value of walking one player 231 times in a season (or just little one-offs like Jose Mesa IBB-ing Bonds to open up the 10th Inning of a game last week for example) is one thing, that .600 OBP curiosity just hanging out there with noone entirely sure what to make of it.
People say when talking about Babe Ruth, he was so great... he hit more home runs than entire teams did. Bonds alone gets put on first base in 4 pitches more than any other team in history. And while that obviously shuts the door on any hope of a machisimo era for the sport, I think it more bleakly exposes the corporatization (ie, accountability, conservatisim) of baseball. and that ain't no fun!
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Compare the two in the following situations:
With Runners On:Bonds - .376 BA, .690 OBP, .798 SLG, 1.488 OPSRolen - .344 BA, .421 OBP, .656 OBP, 1.077 OPS
With Runners In Scoring Position:Bonds - .393 BA, .752 OBP, .875 SLG, 1.627 OPSRolen - .392 BA, .466 OBP, .817 SLG, 1.283 OPS
So who really is more valuable with runners on base, which is the only offensive category where Bonds trails Rolen?
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link
ibb's aren't at all equivalent to "earned" walks as a rule, but bonds is walked so much that he probably makes up a lot of the gap.
barry has scored 25.6% of the time he's been on base. that's low, but probably pretty high for a guy who bats 4th in a weak lineup (what are the giants collective #5's 6 and 7 slots hitting?and is put on so often at the opponents' discretion. adam dunn is at 27%, to toss out one random comparison. rolen 36% from the last cell of the cards' murderer's row, pujols, 39%, thome 24%.
i remember harold reynolds doing similar calcs early in the season to try and demonstrate that OBP is overrated by showing that the slower OBP men just end up just clogging the bases. of course, he didn't show anything because he was comparing leadoff men to cleanup hitters (and probably cherry-picking at that) but it is interesting that the two fat, slow guys above are so low. probably meaningless, but i'd read a study if there was/is one on the subject. (i'm sure there is, actually, and i think i've read it, but i can't remember any of it now except that it had to do w/ ichiro)
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 23 August 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link
One of the Mets' radio guys -- I hope it was the oft-clueless Howie Rose -- said yesterday "The Mets have pitched to Bonds, and that's to their credit..." Oh really? If they walked him every time, maybe they win 2 of 3.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 August 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link
http://barrybonds.mlb.com/players/bonds_barry/imgs/isync.jpg
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link
Barry since the break:
.378/.578/.867
And that OBP is 50 points LOWER than the first half! He's gone free-swingin' on us!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3404
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link
Completely forgot that was Worrell's rookie year. For some reason I thought it was 87 (when he was so dominant).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
You've got Worrell. Geographically speaking, you should have an easy time with three of the other four.
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:39 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I looked. Honestly I don't remember that regular season that much (the next year was when I started following A's games religiously) but I definitely remember the post-season.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 December 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
I was impressed looking at Robby Thompson's career box. He was damn good until he fell off a cliff at 32.
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 December 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
Very solid in his day yeah. In a non-Ryne Sandberg alternative universe he would likely have gotten more attention.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 December 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
http://regressing.deadspin.com/barry-bonds-was-an-alien-god-who-destroyed-space-time-t-1610228611
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 July 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
relevant!https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021860612/barry-bronze-the-barry-bonds-statue-project
― action bronson pinchot (sanskrit), Friday, 25 July 2014 01:11 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/BarryBonds
― mookieproof, Friday, 5 September 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
Joan Rivers you are forever loved and will be missed.#RIPJoanRivers
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 5 September 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzcx_fyCUAAA50B.png
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:18 (nine years ago) link
thinking baout things
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
the player's coffee
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
Probably decaf now.
― cichleee suite (Leee), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
Bob Costas sanctimoniously questions Barry's sudden ability to effortlessly lift such a massive cup of coffee, and how Barry ruined the grand old tradition of drinking from a mug.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
that is clearly some North Beach cappuccino, his cup has shrunk in recent years
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:57 (nine years ago) link
that neck.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
where?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 October 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
https://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/2/8320137/barry-bonds-sf-giants-hall-of-fame-history-hagiography-love-letter-miss-u
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 April 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
WHO NEEDS A DESIGNATED HITTER
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/BarryBonds/status/618502434319650816
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
New Barry seems so chill.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
feds dropped their case! $6 million well used.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 July 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
@CraigMishBarry Bonds just beat the Marlins players on a back field HR BP contest. Including Stanton.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
#freebarry
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (666 of them)He hit #666 last night.
― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, April 20, 2004
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 17 March 2016 12:02 (eight years ago) link
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (667 of them)
:(
― Sorry To Be The Bearer Of Bad Poos (Leee), Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15880107/miami-marlins-hitting-coach-barry-bonds-says-acted-straight-stupid-mlb-career
He's sorry for being a dick all those years. But when he tried not being a dick, he didn't hit as well, so his teammates asked him to be more of a dick again.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
Joking aside, I'll happily take Bonds' side in this. If he wants to be a loner, let him, it's nobody's business.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
You might want to turn off your Javascript before visiting this site but: http://oldtimefamilybaseball.com/post/73935637744/25-greatest-barry-bonds-facts
― Nicholas Nickelback (Leee), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
what should i ask Barry at the SABR panel in 3 weeks? Ozuna's swing, or how he turned down his assholishness?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:39 (seven years ago) link
For your sake, the latter.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 7 July 2016 09:03 (seven years ago) link
yeah i knew someone was gonna drive through that; good work, librarian
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 July 2016 11:27 (seven years ago) link
find a way to ask both in the same question
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Thursday, 7 July 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
You know I had to Google Ozuna to find out he wasn't a Japanese player.
― Nicholas Nickelback (Leee), Thursday, 7 July 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
Ask him why Ichiro doesn't hit more home runs
― a simba man (Will M.), Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
not the devil, but "special advisor" to the Giants' chief executive (whoever that is)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
back home where he belongs <3
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:28 (seven years ago) link
Currently on television, speaking about hitting mechanics, wearing Giants gear.
― Andy K, Friday, 24 March 2017 02:48 (seven years ago) link
"Can you still hit?"
"Very well."
― Andy K, Friday, 24 March 2017 02:51 (seven years ago) link
He could still slug as a DH I bet.
― Handsome Bookor, Friday, 24 March 2017 13:24 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwMfT2cZGHg&t=3s
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 14 April 2017 05:44 (seven years ago) link
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/11/15264034/barry-bonds-2004-stats-chart-party
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 14 April 2017 05:45 (seven years ago) link
I understand the point he's making, but without a bat, well, you know...
― clemenza, Friday, 14 April 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
Barry, other retired stars flee fire
http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/Barry-Bonds-among-star-athletes-evacuated-from-12265500.php
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
John Perrotto was a guest on Friday’s episode of FanGraphs Audio, and among the subjects addressed by the longtime Pittsburgh Pirates beat writer was the team’s famously parsimonious ownership. The penny-pinching ways date back to the departure of Barry Bonds via free agency in 1992. I asked Perrotto if there was there any chance that the the reigning NL MVP was going to stay in Pittsburgh.“No, the Pirates weren’t going to pay him,” Perrotto said on the podcast. “The picture that has been painted here over the years is [that] Barry hated it in Pittsburgh and couldn’t wait until the minute he could get out of town. That’s not true…. In fact, during the 1992 season — this was some time after the All-Star break, probably in August — I talked to him after a game. Let me set a little background here before I get ahead of myself.“The two Pittsburgh newspapers were on strike, so you didn’t have as much media as you normally would in the clubhouse after the game,” continued Perrotto, who was covering the team for the suburban Beaver County Times. “He’d been the star of the game… and after we talked about that, I said, ‘Hey, what would it take for you to stay here?,’ thinking he was going to say, ‘I don’t know. That’s something for my agent to discuss.’ [Instead], he goes, ‘Five years/25 million and I’ll sign tomorrow.’ I said, ’Is that on the record?’ He said, ‘Yeah, man. Write it. Five years/25 million and I’ll sign tomorrow.’”Hall of Fame catcher Ted Simmons was the Pirates GM at the time. Perrotto walked back to the press box, picked up a phone, and called Simmons to pass along what Bonds had said. Simmons — equal parts excited and pleasantly surprised — proceeded to call the team’s president.“Mark Sauer had been brought in to cut costs.” Perrotto said of the former Pittsburgh executive. “I know people will find this hard to believe, but the Pirates had the sixth-highest payroll in baseball in 1991. They weren’t always cheap; they weren’t always at the bottom of the payroll standings. They did spend money in the early ‘90s, when they won three division titles in the National League East from ’90 to ’92. But they were on a payroll-reduction kick, and Mark Sauer told Ted Simmons, ‘No, we can’t do that.”Bonds went on to sign a then-record six-year/43.75M contract with the San Francisco Giants in December. As Giants owner Peter Magowan put it at the time, “It’s a lot of money, but there’s only one Barry Bonds.”
“No, the Pirates weren’t going to pay him,” Perrotto said on the podcast. “The picture that has been painted here over the years is [that] Barry hated it in Pittsburgh and couldn’t wait until the minute he could get out of town. That’s not true…. In fact, during the 1992 season — this was some time after the All-Star break, probably in August — I talked to him after a game. Let me set a little background here before I get ahead of myself.
“The two Pittsburgh newspapers were on strike, so you didn’t have as much media as you normally would in the clubhouse after the game,” continued Perrotto, who was covering the team for the suburban Beaver County Times. “He’d been the star of the game… and after we talked about that, I said, ‘Hey, what would it take for you to stay here?,’ thinking he was going to say, ‘I don’t know. That’s something for my agent to discuss.’ [Instead], he goes, ‘Five years/25 million and I’ll sign tomorrow.’ I said, ’Is that on the record?’ He said, ‘Yeah, man. Write it. Five years/25 million and I’ll sign tomorrow.’”
Hall of Fame catcher Ted Simmons was the Pirates GM at the time. Perrotto walked back to the press box, picked up a phone, and called Simmons to pass along what Bonds had said. Simmons — equal parts excited and pleasantly surprised — proceeded to call the team’s president.
“Mark Sauer had been brought in to cut costs.” Perrotto said of the former Pittsburgh executive. “I know people will find this hard to believe, but the Pirates had the sixth-highest payroll in baseball in 1991. They weren’t always cheap; they weren’t always at the bottom of the payroll standings. They did spend money in the early ‘90s, when they won three division titles in the National League East from ’90 to ’92. But they were on a payroll-reduction kick, and Mark Sauer told Ted Simmons, ‘No, we can’t do that.”
Bonds went on to sign a then-record six-year/43.75M contract with the San Francisco Giants in December. As Giants owner Peter Magowan put it at the time, “It’s a lot of money, but there’s only one Barry Bonds.”
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/sunday-notes-danny-coulombe-executes-sliders-and-curves/
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Sunday, 6 March 2022 16:14 (two years ago) link