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― tipustiger, Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:07 (twenty years ago) link
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― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:14 (twenty years ago) link
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― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:19 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago) link
Matt Ducasse had collected the raw samples for years, Toshi & Kudo provided the instrumentation when necessary, and Howie B blended it all together. This was pop ambient long before the compilations ... whereas Kompakt's collections have a bit of monochromaticism in common with the original 'Artificial Intelligence' pieces, Skylab's compositions patched together a much more diverse range of sources. Which resulted in a deceivingly bourgeois listening experience, but sacrificed little of the impact of raw sound art.
guess I felt I had to justify that one!
― Dare, Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Gas Coin, Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:29 (twenty years ago) link
Yikes we are going to hit number one too fast
― hector (hector), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago) link
44. Roger Eno - Voices43. Harold Budd - Lovely Thunder42. Thomas Koner - Teimo / Permafrost41. Steve Roach - The Magnificent Void (not like other roach. I swear.)
― (Jon L), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:35 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:42 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:44 (twenty years ago) link
― hector (hector), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:48 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:53 (twenty years ago) link
33. Cocteau Twins/Harold Budd - The Moon and the Melodies
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:02 (twenty years ago) link
― hector (hector), Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:11 (twenty years ago) link
100. Discreet Music - Brian Eno99. Aphex Twin - SAW 85-92 98. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing97. GYBE - F# A# oo96. Shalabi Effect - S/T95. Prop - Small Craft, Rough Sea94. The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld 93. Global Communication - 76:14 92. ISAN - Lucky Cat91. AIR - Virgin Suicides90. King Black Acid - Royal Subjects89. Gas - Pop88. Tangerine Dream -- "Zeit"87. Brian Eno -- "Neroli"86. Michael Vetter -- "Overtones In Old European Cathedrals (Thoronet)"85. Steve Hillage -- "Rainbow Dome Musick"84. Zoviet France -- "Shouting at the Ground"83. Ash Ra Tempel-New Age Of Earth82. fennesz - endless summer 81. Susumu Yokota - Sakura80. Tommy Guerrero - A Little Bit of Somethin' 79. Do Make Say Think - S/T 78. Beef Terminal - 20 Goto 1077. Broken Social Scene - Feel Good Lost76. earth - earth 2: special low frequency version 75. boredoms - super roots 674. Ry Cooder - Paris, Texas sndtrk73. Ennio Morricone - Good, Bad, Ugly sndtrk72. Harold Budd/Brian Eno - The Pearl71. Mark Snow - The Truth and The Light, Music From The X Files 70. Miles Davis "Sketches of Spain"69. Erik Satie "Piano Stuff"68. Brian Eno "Ambient 4: On Land" 67. Labradford - Fixed: Context66. Scorn - Gyral65. Main - Hz64. Stars of the Lid - Ballasted Orchestra63. john fahey - blind joe death62. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells61. Naked City - Absinthe60. Popol Vuh - In der Garten Pharaohs59. Cluster - II58. Wendy Carlos - Sonic Seasonings57. Miles Davis - In A Silent Way 56. Burger/Ink "Las Vegas"55. Irresistible Force - Flying High 53. Nurse with Wound - Soliloquoy for Lilith52. Eno - Apollo sndtrk51. Klaus Schulze - Irrlicht50. Coil - Worship the Glitch49. Robert Rich/B. Lustmord - Stalker48. Crawl Unit - Stop Listening 47. Skylab - "#1"46. Sea Scouts - Pattern Recognition45. The Necks - Sex 44. NO NECK BLUES BAND - Intonomancy43. Roger Eno - Voices42. Harold Budd - Lovely Thunder41. Thomas Koner - Teimo / Permafrost40. Steve Roach - The Magnificent Void39. My Bloody Valentine - Tremolo EP38. Bark Psychosis - Hex37. Eno - Another Green World36. Xenakis - Electronic Music35. Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription34. Cocteau Twins "Victorialand"33. Oval "Dok" 32. Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind31. Cocteau Twins/Harold Budd - The Moon and the Melodies
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:13 (twenty years ago) link
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― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 22 January 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago) link
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― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 22 January 2004 07:01 (twenty years ago) link
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― Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 22 January 2004 08:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 22 January 2004 08:09 (twenty years ago) link
I can nominate some vapor ambient stuff, but not an expert on the larger topic at all
― calstars, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:39 (five years ago) link
I’m only in if we can vote for the first eagles greatest hits album
― brimstead, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:17 (five years ago) link
seriously, though, I’d rather just see everyone’s own lists
Eligible only if slowed down 800%.
― Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
If I don't get this job I want I'll have time to run a poll, we'll see
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link
This'd be a fucking minefield on what qualifies and what doesn't.
Bring it.
― kraudive, Monday, 6 May 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
If lukas gets his job, I might be willing to run it!
― Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Monday, 6 May 2019 22:34 (five years ago) link
I've already compared my personal top 10 ambient albums with a couple friends over the last couple years. Would love to participate too
― octobeard, Monday, 6 May 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
I got the job! Sorry.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
Hmm, I think I might actually have the time to run this, if people are interested?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link
That'd be great!
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:27 (four years ago) link
Ummmmm yeah!!
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link
Yup!
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link
This is the thread in which I discover that Lukas, LBI, Tuomas, KM, and Chinaski all have me killfiled.
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
:p
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
i'm listening to Sleepline by New Dreams Ltd right now and I'm curious if something like this would qualify
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
xp no way leee, i just forgot! i'm just pumped for the poll, whoever ends up running it :)
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
I had the bartender put a few drops in my beer last week. Horrible idea , turned it into soap abd caused it to overflow.
_I can nominate some vapor ambient stuff, but not an expert on the larger topic at all_i'm listening to Sleepline by New Dreams Ltd right now and I'm curious if something like this would qualify
― calstars, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
i don't envy the pollrunner on this one, tackling issues of what counts as ambient
i have a very expansive/permissive view of what "counts" in any genre, but i'm sure there will be questions about, say, seefeel's more well known albums
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Xp hah - no way, leee! I got my 'l's mixed up and thought you'd sworn off cos you'd got the job. I'm up for it whoever runs it.
I'd prolly say NO Seefeel because beats but happy to be swayed. (While acknowledging there are some utterly beautiful ambient moments on Seefeel records, ofc.)
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
Thanks, chums!
As for what counts... if we say beats != ambient, then that would disqualify SAW and SAWII... and they have "ambient" in their titles!
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link
and Gas albums have beats as well! or at least, they have pulses. :)
anyway, i prefer not to participate in the What is Ambient? wars of 2019, but i'll be very happy to choose my ballot from whatever makes it through the sift
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
also, very timely poll, as i just got David Toop's Ocean of Sound book on ambient music in the mail
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I won't die on the NO BEATS hill. Happy to vote on whatever appears.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
Can't say how excited I would be about this poll, were there anyone to run it. Sad.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
lllooolll
― Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
The recent-ish (2018?) Jurg Frey 5-disc album on Erstwhile = top ambient
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 16 May 2019 06:37 (four years ago) link
...if you like the sounds of ocean surf, jet planes carving holes in the sky, passive (background / adjacent room-) listening, incidental sounds, vague tonal content, and silence
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 16 May 2019 06:40 (four years ago) link
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Excellent book.
Oh and Leee I'd never killfile you, honest!
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 May 2019 07:23 (four years ago) link
i don't understand what this is supposed to be saying:
if Eluvium is on this list there's no credible reason the first two Enya albums wouldn't be, except Pitchfork finds her way too unbeardly
― alpine static, Thursday, 16 May 2019 08:10 (four years ago) link
Me neither.
I propose a totally free nomination process, beats/no beats, the voters will decide what they deem ambient. We're more or less adults here, I think we can do without strict rules?
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 May 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
Yeah, that's how I'm thinking of doing the poll. I think I'm gonna write some simple guidelines of how ambient is usually defined, to steer the nominations, but I'm not gonna disqualify anything if someone feels it's ambient.For example, to me it seems pretty evident that SAW 1 is not ambient (despite the title of the) because of its dancey rhythms and beats, while SAW II is. But if someone still wants to nom the further, why not. But since we've had numerous generic polls on electronic music, I'm hoping this won't turn into one too, so hopefully people will at least consider what ambient means before nomming their favourite Aphex Twin and Boards of Canada albums.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
if SAW1 counts then I'd think early LPs by The Black Dog and Autechre should also count
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
I don't think any of those count as ambient, but I'd like to hear justifications why they would?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
I mean, if the one characteristic of ambient most people agree on that it's non-intrusive and doesn't call attention to it, then the jerky mood and rhythm changes of something like Spanners or Temple of Transparent Balls would absolutely disqualify it.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
The first four Enya albums are amazing (the next four... less so) but I wouldn't call them ambient. Enya is Enya.
Would love to see everyone's top ten or twenty too!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I love Enya, and there are many new age albums that are among my favourite ambient records, but her music isnt ambient, it's too song-oriented.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
SAW1 shouldn't be eligible imho.
Let the great ambient gatekeeping begin.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
hey tuomas, can i passionately argue for the inclusion of a field recording that i made of a train that's on my hard drive and no one else has ever heard, just so that i can be the one person that votes for it?
(jk)
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
everything is permissible but nothing is ambient
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
FSOL and Banco De Gaia, ambient or not?
― Siegbran, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
FSOL has to be, how can Lifeforms not be ambient?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
Your nominations for the ILX AMBIENT ALBUMS POLL (nominations close on Friday, May 31st)
― Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
Zoning out to saw1 after too much drink and drugs when I was far too young, as the sun rose over the trees, where me and my friends sat in sleeping bags we needed only for comfort, in a bright light back room in the west of england, we knew we were already late for saturday jobs, but it was alright because this music
Isn't ambient?
― kraudive, Monday, 20 May 2019 03:03 (four years ago) link
Posted on the wrong thread. Not to be I suppose
― kraudive, Monday, 20 May 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link