― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link
No sticker would have that effect on me. I'm economically comfortable enough that it'd be damn hypocritical to deny anyone my favorite bands just cuz they have a nice car.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link
I will say that "Black Flag" has a nice sort of rhyming quality with "Cadillac" that's just not there with "Dead Head."
― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link
black flag seems a murky substitution for the dead in this context. they both represented a kind of countercultural defiance in their day but the dead grew to become WAY more omnipresent than B.F. the Clash might be a more apposite example.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.oldmagazines.com/images/press%20page%20image/02-21-1925.jpg
only there's a killing joke button on his lapel.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
(major xpost)
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
I never said I liked it! (Anyway, you can't really take any of Dahl's music seriously -- even if he is pals with Brian Wilson.)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
Well, I agree with Anonthy's agreement of my statement.
I'm on the same page as Alex here. The line might work if it actually sounded like the guy was haunted by the bastardization of his scene, but it sounds like he's bastardizing it just as much. I might have believed him if he complained about a Green Day sticker, but saying Black Flag sounds just as ludicrous as if he left in the Deadhead sticker (though if he had it wouldn't be so obviously forced).
Exceptionally well stated. Anthony, all is forgiven!
Haha I bet Alex has a caddy. With a Black Flag sticker on it.
Not only do I not have a Cadillac, I don't have a driver's license. I do however, have a bike.....and, as a matter of fact, I do have a sticker of the Black Flag bars on it. Then again, I'm fuckin' 35 and saw Black Flag play a few times. So there.
doesn't alex work for the new yorker though? (i find this endlessly entertaining.)
I write for their "Goings On About Town" section, yes. Got a problem with that? I don't have a byline, though, and the magazine does not feature a contributors masthead. You can find my name, however, if you're exceptionally bored, on the TIME Masthead, buried among tens of thousands of fellow, digruntled drones.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Scardy Cat, Friday, 22 August 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
LMAO!
― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
― BrianB, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:09 (twenty years ago) link
For what it's worth, I didn't much like the original either. Eh. Need to get that tape deck fixed in my car.
― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link
Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong has been nabbed by the long arm of the law after being caught driving under the influence.
Armstrong was pulled over in his black BMW convertible early Tuesday morning in Telegraph Avenue, San Francisco.[gygax notes: actually berkeley, ca] He was caught speeding and then failed to pass a sobriety test.
Police described Armstrong as co-operative and released him on $1200 bail. He was also commended for making no mention of his celebrity status unlike a certain Ms Ross a few days earlier on a similar charge.
Armstrong was taken to the local police station, charged and released. He will face court later this month.
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link
oh and "they sang" in my previous post. I wasn't singing along, honest I wasn't.
(x-post)
― BrianB, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link
I think what irks me about that is that it implies some vague assertion of inheritance, as if to suggest that the Ataris are in some way related to or are torch-bearers for the legacy of Black Flag, which is irritating on a variety of levels.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
and anyhow surely today's pop punk surely wouldn't exist were it not for the example of black flag and other early american punk/hard core/whatever. whether or not you see some kind of spiritual connection is even farther beside the point.
why am i arguing anyhow? you seem so set in your hypercriticism of contemporary rock bands and uncritical enthusiasm for bands from about 20-25 years ago, on principle. i have no idea why that music inspires such slavish devotion and this constant concern for deviation/desecration.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link
i was respoding to alex's last comment, not jaymc's.
― BrianB, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:59 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link
Well, I always interpretted the line in Henley's original as Don lamenting the seeming hypocrisy of extolling the Dead's communal, love&peace&dope hippy aesthetic on the preemninent symbol of affluence and avarice.
Rather a sweeping, blanket statement, don't you think? I'd say the Ataris have much more to do with, say, the Dickies or the Ramones or Bad Religion and their specific offspring (pun intended) rather than the unflinchingly dark, decidedly UN-poppy Black Flag. This is not to say that the Ataris themselves can't recognize a simillar hypocrisy of someone showcasing their endorsement of Black Flag -- a band whose artistic mission statement dealt primarily in nihilism, self-reliance, anti-authoritarianism, isolation -- on the bumper of, once again, the preeminent symbol of wealth and establishment.
Another cop-out based on presumption. I don't categorically deride all contemporary rock bands, I'm just decrying the ones that set themselves up for critiscism in this manner. I think there are a lot of bands currently going that do have something interesting to say, and less reliant on swaddling themselves in the cache of earlier bands from earlier periods in order to get noticed.
And in terms of my "slavish devotion," perhaps you've never felt any sort've affinity for certain music before. Is it all just sonic wallpaper for you? No emotional attachment whatsoever?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link
surely selling out is part of the loss of youthful ideals!!!!!!!!!!!
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sorry alex, you're probably right. it just seems that you hold up all these ok or mediocre 80s bands as the standard against which most contemporary rock must be judged unfavorably.... which to me is like you're talking in a foreign language simply because i have no stake whatever in those 80s bands.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:12 (twenty years ago) link
Back on topic, and back to the Grateful Dead...I believe Don Henley was asserting some lineage with the Grateful Dead...basically intoning that he got them, and that the sight of a Steal Your Face sticker on someone's Caddy was offensive or sad to him, because the Grateful Dead meant something to him (as offensive to hardcore Deadheads as that might seem).
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:20 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
Didn't the Ataris have a succesful single pre-dating the Henley cover, though?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Scaredy cat (Natola), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:16 (twenty years ago) link
― JesseFox (JesseFox), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
― JesseFox (JesseFox), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Scaredy cat (Natola), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:12 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 24 August 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Sunday, 24 August 2003 06:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Sunday, 24 August 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 24 August 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link
I think it would be great if a nu-metal band covered Sonic Youth.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link
The young sing along, drinking along with friends, driving along in the first car, the lust of bikini clad pretty girls, the lies that come from the innocence of first love--no one ever thinks the fun will end at 17--this is why the cover is more poignant then the boomer classic.from nyplm
as for black flag, the only genre left who hasnt sucked artifices cock dry is punk, and pop punk attempts to do that, with the quick efficeny of a wet/dry vac.
the line about black fly is both a genre signifier and an apology--we are "real" punks, even with our love of don henley, and we are sorry that we have had to make this cover...but for emotional/finical reasons we did.
― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:02 (twenty years ago) link
Depends on what you mean by successful...
― ModJ, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 12:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link
The funny thing is that the Atari's "In This Diary" is even worse, and it's an original.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link
(also, side question: which has been covered more by mediocre pop punk bands, this or "take on me"?)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, August 22, 2003 12:43 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
99 luftballoons
― i got nothin (deej), Saturday, 10 October 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^
― sunn o))) successor (Curt1s Stephens), Saturday, 10 October 2009 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know crap about this cover version, but the original is one of the best songs of the 80's.
― akm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I still want to hear the original demo.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
why? it probably wouldn't have the cool drum machine or the synths or anything that makes this song rule. it would probably just have don henley wheezing all over it
― akm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
a song that cuts deeper every year
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
also, it's strange that young people in the 80s were so hung up on nostalgia and the loss of youth. "forever young", "young turks", "glory days", "jack & diane", etc. if they only knew...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure the original demo is all drum machine & no henley. This is discussed somewhere here or Wikipedia or ?
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Bat for Lashes does this on her current tour and it's beautiful. Here it is.
https://youtu.be/bQ_TnYlvcR8
This made me think of the concept of an unimpeachable song, a song that everyone likes. Everyone I know fucking hates the Eagles and thinks Don Henley is a piece of shit, but everyone loves this song because it's so fucking good. The only other song I can think of right now that has that level of acceptance is probably God Only Knows.
― akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
maybe this will embedd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ_TnYlvcR8&feature=youtu.be
well fuck that, you can click the link above
― akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
It's the transitive property of Mike Campbell. Everyone loves Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell makes everything better, Mike Campbell wrote and plays on this, Mike Campbell makes Don Henley better.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
Wow, I didn't even realize that. Maybe I should have given fleetwood mac with Mike Campbell a shot before dismissing them completely. Clearly he made everything he did with Petty pretty excellent.
― akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
JiC absolutely otm.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
xpost Also Neil Finn, who is nothing but class. I would have loved to see a Finn tour with Mike Campbell, it's the rest of Fleetwood Mac that turned me off that outing.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 February 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
yeah Finn is excellent. I probably should have bit the bullet on it but I'm still a Buckingham stan.
― akm, Friday, 14 February 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
Out on the road today, I saw a Bright Eyes sticker on a CybertruckTried to share a pic, but Insta was down, I was out of luck
― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
Out on the road todayI saw an Andrew WK sticker on a Highlander (Hybrid)A little voice inside my head said"Don't get wet, you can never get wet"
https://i.imgur.com/O7NHdyB.png
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 March 2024 16:11 (one month ago) link
Out of the road today I saw a Tackhead sticker on a ChevroletLittle voice inside my head said, "Right on the edge. We were walking right on the edge."
― President Keyes, Friday, 29 March 2024 16:21 (one month ago) link
Basically, same as the last post: a guy in his 50s walking out of the grocery store yesterday wearing a Skinny Puppy T-shirt, enough to activate that little voice inside my head.
― clemenza, Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:26 (one month ago) link