Dre vs Metallica

Ah, but is it? Is that what the genre's forefathers were after? Getting paid in full? Or weren't they simply trying to telegraph their side of the urban experience?

Given that most of the practitioners of the genre grew up in desperately poor circumstances, once it was apparrent that you could make money from hip-hop, commercial success became a major if not the major motivation for doing music. Someone who grew up poor is far less likely to take the indie-rock "doing it for the music maaaan" attitude. What indie-rockers failed to realize was that you could do commercially motivated music that was also good.

Boy is that a smug statement.

I fail to see what is so smug about it, I still hear "commercial = sucky" opinions voiced all the time (not much here, but elsewhere), and not just by indie-rock types.

As far my own personal taste, most all of what I listen to is uncommercial "doing it for the music maaaaaan" music. (uncomercial here meaning that the people releasing it don't expect to make any substantial amount of money from it.)

So because I fail to put in an (virtually implied) "many" or "most" modifier, I am super-smuggo?

> Moreover, I wouldn't say it's a simple as you depict it. The >reasons why many indie bands "fail" to sound commercial is more >likely because the musicians involved are bored by "commercial"->sounding music.

I wasn't criticizing indie bands for being uncommercial, I was criticizing *many of* them for dismissing any music with a commercial motivation. Besides, some indie music, with some slight slight tweaking, could be commercially successful (and possibly improve in musical quality).

i dont think hip hop was ever about getting paid in full any more than rock n' roll. i think its possible that the likes of KRS-One had a lot of trouble with record companies in the 80s which stopped them getting to Dre's level and informed their 'no sell out' stance too perhaps. i find Dre's persistance in the business and objections to piracy quite sickening considering he's been a multi-miilionaire ever since the release of 'The Chronic' - i suppose its like a champion sports team - they dont quit once they've won the big prize, they try and win it again of course...but still...what's really motivating people like Dre and even the Neptunes (or indeed anyone?) to want to do what they do for 20 years or beyond when the whole process becomes evermore manufactured/processed rather than innovative or primarily artistically motivated once they've already become richer than in their wildest dreams after only 10 years in the game.

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