jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

the backlash in some circles against "modern western" medicine is so funny to me...

not discounting that there is a lot of beneficial stuff that falls outside of that norm...but....it's like all these people romanticize stuff that dates back to the XX century in china and stuff, it's like...didn't people only like to be like 45 back then?

45 would be extremely elderly.

been thinking a lot baout this, as a kind of phenomenon. not to get all dj martian but systemic thinking is really hard. narrative thinking is kind of easy; this happened, then that happened! especially if it's personal (this happened to me/her/us, then that happened). conspiracy theories explain big problems with narratives: "someone is behind all this!!" which is key to their power but also what's wrong with them. it gets even more difficult when there really are lots of bad, shitty or selfish decisions being made as part of a big systemic problem; any explanation, narrative or otherwise, is necessarily political.

(i don't have any education in the philosophy of mind or brain science tho, just talking out my ass)

evidently

;-P

Read a paper that concluded that in pre or non-scientific communities, neutral or even harmful treatments could spread more effectively than helpful ones. Because a bad treatment get used for longer (due to their not curing the initial problem), that gives more opportunity for other people to observe its use, and just that observation is enough to encourage them to try it, regardless of its perceived efficacy.

note to self, if you're gonna edit yr post to change plurals to singulars at least finish the job.

Jim Carrey joins the idiot circus:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2200

Only appropriate.

narrative thinking is kind of easy; this happened, then that happened! especially if it's personal (this happened to me/her/us, then that happened).

lol r u reading animal spirits???

i am an animal spirit

no i am not! but i should

i think i had in my head the crowd of torture defenders actually! there's this reflex among those ppl to cut out all big picture/long term/data-oriented discussion in favor of immediately personal hypotheticals; "omg what if OSAMA had your DAUGHTER"

luv u, onion
http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/vaccine_rejectors_put_kids_at_risk

did this get linked here?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/200025

i feel like we talked about in on ilx but i can't remember

Oh god. I am currently working for an administrator in the state Department of Health and just fielded a call from a total luncatic ranting about the link between vaccinations and autism. This guy was completely fucking NUTS. Even as I repeatedly tried to explain that I wasn't the one he needed to speak with he kept going and said my boss was going to hide behind my skirt rather than listen to the truth. Towards the end he said he had a 19 year old son who has autism (:-( )because of the vaccines. I eventually hung up on him and feel bad but SWEET JESUS.

you could have said "no, sir, the reason your son has autism is because god hates you."

Ha. He probably would have tried to save me. I think hanging up was the best decision even though I'm pretty sure that's not the recommended way of dealing wtih the crazies (of which there are TONS btw). He hasn't called back . . . yet.

yeah, i think you did the best thing.

I don't know if he would fall into the same category of crazies/stalkers discussed in The Gift of Fear, but hanging up/refusing to engage is usually the best way to deal w/them.

Yesterday security called because there was some man downstairs with a container of food that he said was contaminated and needed testing.

I was just glad they didn't let him up here tbh.

you could at least commend him for not being wasteful

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/10/doctors-fire-children-parents-refuse-vaccinate.html

fuck yeah

No shit they should.
I'm being driven bonkers by my colleagues who won't get their flu shots. Actually got in a fight with an OT the other day. How can so many health professionals, who otherwise practice EBM, be so fucking stupid about vaccines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM

How can so many health professionals, who otherwise practice EBM, be so fucking stupid about vaccines?

lol when you work mental health you will hear people who're in a position to really affect patients' lives spouting all kinds of superstitious handed-down knowledge about which DSM dx's are "hopeless" etc, being a professional doesn't mean people absorbed ANY of the instruction imo it just means they got good at passing tests

oh dear god the comments.

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sucks sooooooo beutifull and young
just becouse the stupid fluu shot we got to fight the luminati is doing all this shit

so many video responses too...

it doesn't seem like there's any kind of confirmed link from the flu shot to the dystonia, but that cheerleader shit is pretty crazy.

the luminati is doing all this shit

its sad i mean she cld have cheered for a pro football team all that waste dam u luminati

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she iz very pretty

no homo

ok which one of you wiseguys made me lol here

hahahahahaha

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Another beautiful girl...RUINED BY SOCIETY!!!!

if only this could have happened to an ugly fat person!

how wld we even tell a difference??

:?

What a disaster for amazingly beautiful cheerleaders.

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lol this board is full of nothing but liberals laughing and praising the suffering of another human being. Fox news dosnt celebrate the suffering of people like the liberal bias on you tube does.
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Ok I'll stop for a while.

"she iz very pretty

no homo"

has kind of broken my ability to stop laffing

People, especially upscale West Coast Americans, have developed this cult of food & body control, where everything that goes in must be rigidly controlled for nutritional, ethical and even spiritual reasons (often a tangle of the three). The self is validated and protected by the extent to which control is exercised, and is threatened to the extent that it breaks down. In some cases, the pathology is fantastically rigid, and the ingestion of even a tiny particle of meat or non-organic produce can become the most horrendous sort of physical/emotional violation.

wasn't this a todd haynes movie?

Wired magazine has a nice cover story about "the Epidemic of Fear"

Article online now: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/all/1

http://www.zazzle.com/vaccine_fillers_thimerosal_mercu_customized_bumper_sticker-128656797762235700

The follow up on the Dystonia cheerleader is pretty fascinating/outrageous/infuriating/etc., incidentally - she's now "cured" of all of her symptoms because of special treatments she got from an oft-discredited anti-vax figure named "Dr. Buttar" (i.e. she had basically just been suffering from a psychogenic situation, as had been diagnosed by everyone with any sense of reality):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD1BAxVnFdc&feature=player_embedded

hmmmm...this reminds me of back when spin magazine kept saying there was no connection between HIV and AIDS

Funny M@tt mentions this - I had been digging through some old Spins not too long ago and came across a few of these articles, (which I would have skipped over obliviously in the early '90s), and which are so fucking insane that one can't possibly believe they were printed in a national magazine. Anyway, the huge celebrity proponent of this HIV-doesn't-cause-AIDS movement was Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters, who played lots of benefit concerts organized by the now deceased Christine Maggiore. Reading these columns knowing Maggiore and her child would be dead 10 years later make them even crazier.

I guess the bass player (who was also in Sunny Day Real Estate) was the driving force of the band being involved - I'd be very curious to hear their take on this nowadays.

Agh, it's all so creepy.

I had been digging through some old Spins not too long ago and came across a few of these articles, (which I would have skipped over obliviously in the early '90s), and which are so fucking insane that one can't possibly believe they were printed in a national magazine.

It was kinda the big reason I avoided Spin during the late eighties/early nineties, honestly -- I realized I missed out on some wonderful music writing after the fact, but that whole ignorance they espoused with regard to AIDS did overshadow it.

posted this somewhere else but--suzanne somers is also a celebrity nutjob:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-09/does-suzanne-somers-cause-cancer/

I realized I missed out on some wonderful music writing after the fact, but that whole ignorance they espoused with regard to AIDS did overshadow it.

Even at the time, I read the AIDS articles because they were just so unbelievably batshit that you couldn't believe they were printed in the same magazine as the rest of the writing.

So wait. The cheerleader is fine now? I am totally going to go find all the "OMG FLU VACCINE KILLZZZZZZZZZZZ" posts from my many vaccine denying FB friends (I know a lot of hippies who grew up and had kids and now think that vaccines are evil and babies should have chiropractors and homeopathy isn't a load a crap) about this woman and rub their noses in it.