I think it's like +1 for creativity, -1,000 for taste and timing and tone-deafness.
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
Mmm, I'm gonna go with racist. I have a hard time believing someone was both aware enough of the phrase to consider using an altered version of it in their advertising and totally unaware of how it was likely to be perceived. I just don't think they expected it to become a national news story.
― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Of course it's racist - or at least insensitive to race. If that crossed my desk at a firm I would veto it.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
I would say bad taste evincing what is likely underlying racism, if we can split it that finely. A pun on the name isn't *necessarily* racist but the kind of person who would think it was a good idea to use that slogan either (1) doesn't take BLM seriously, because they are racist or (2) is just kind of apathetic and doesn't treat anything with appropriate seriousness.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
"they" = person(s) who came up with the ad, tbc
broccoli isn't really all that anyway
― kinder, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:15 (seven years ago) link
they're not even real black olives, they're just crappy green olives covered in iron to make them look better.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 12:30 (seven years ago) link
^ topping truther
― Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 13:59 (seven years ago) link
once this person noticed the pun, they might not have had a choice in the matter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witzelsucht
― Treeship, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:07 (seven years ago) link
Thoughts? http://noisey.vice.com/en_au/read/the-frontman-for-gorilla-biscuits-said-something-dumb-about-all-lives-matter-and-a-lot-of-punks-are-pissed-off?utm_source=noiseyfbenglish
my gut is that he worded it very poorly, but in context he seemed to be saying "it is sad that the current state of affairs requires individuals to wear BLM t-shirts to remind us that they matter, because everybody of every race matters. don't let the media tell you that any one group doesn't matter".
I can see why it was interpreted the other way given the clumsy construction of the message but while intent often doesn't matter as much as message, I think Civ probably agreed with BLM at the core.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 8 August 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
maybe not racist in itself but a thing that right wingers like to say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dhho3JuK4
― remove butt (abanana), Monday, 8 August 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
every punk should know NO LIVES MATTER
http://s205501534.onlinehome.fr/IMAGES%20EBAY/RASTA%20HIPPIE%20LOVE%20AND%20PEACE/motif%20no%20future.jpg
― Ludo, Monday, 8 August 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Blank lives mutter
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
one of the librarians at our local library sent us home w/ a skippyjon jones book, the fuck is this?? it occured to later that those books were discussed itt a while back and this (mostly otm) post was linked https://soundstudiesblog.com/2014/05/05/speaking-mexican-and-the-use-of-mock-spanish-in-childrens-books-or-do-not-read-skippyjon-jones/
― marcos, Monday, 29 August 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
mucho fun
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, even wth *tera's assurances upthread, I've never liked reading them. We have quite a few from when my son went on a chihuahua kick at age 5 though. I try to avoid dragging them out for our younger kid if I can help it.
― how's life, Monday, 29 August 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
"We're going to make our country safe again. We're going to rebuild our inner cities because our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before. Ever, ever, ever."
what a dickhead!
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:06 (seven years ago) link
Trump perhaps?
― Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:08 (seven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-african-americans-cities-228439
bingo. is it more or less racist than his son and his skittles, i wonder
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/trump-son-compares-syrian-refugees-skittles-160920133852094.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:32 (seven years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/disney-pulls-offensive-moana-costume-off-the-shelves-1786938696
― how's life, Thursday, 22 September 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/pb9JUUi.png
trying to read up on opinions on this only brings up the EEOC complaint and right-wing OUTRAGE in reaction. is the flag synonymous with tea partiers and their more recent incarnations? is it a confederate flag cipher?
― just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it is necessarily racist, it has origins in the american revolution, and has been appropriated by tea partiers in recent years but i don't think it has been wholly co-opted
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
it has origins in the american revolution
Possible challop: I don't know how true this is but I have heard theories that the American Revolution was at least partially spurred on by the British making moves towards abolishing slavery, so I'm not sure if this flag originating in the American Revolution makes it not racist.
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
Facebook apparently has a particular way of translating "negro" from Spanish:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9tnngUcAAHh8Z.jpg
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
(to clarify, this is the status update of an African-American college friend of my wife's and the response from his Cuban wife; also I don't think I've laughed this hard in a while)
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
omg
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
we just did some testing of the translation algorithm and apparently you can only get "negro" to translate as "nigga" if you are ending a question with it
let's ponder that for a moment (once you stop laughing)
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
but does it taste like pumpkin?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
David S. Negroes?
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link
this is horrifying and i can't stop giggling
― goole, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
A friend from Puerto Rico weighs in (I edited out a name and switched her incorrect reference to Google Translate to Facebook Translate):
The term "negro", as ______ was using it, is a term of endearment in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. We use "mi negro", "mi negra", "negrito", etc. So maybe Facebook translate might "know" that it is not supposed to translate it as "black", and it is translating it as something like "my nigga"? In any event, Bad Facebook Translate! Bad Facebook Translate!
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
"What Stones song did Dad like so much, was it
http://i.imgur.com/2WUEVeE.jpg?"
― pplains, Thursday, 24 November 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
well that's embarrassing, everyone knows the non-racist translation is "flex"
― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:22 (seven years ago) link
Richards describes the famous moment that the Rolling Stones first visited Chess: “We walked into Chess Studios and there’s this guy in black overalls painting the ceiling. And it’s Muddy Waters and he’s got whitewash streaming down his face and he’s on top of a ladder.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:32 (seven years ago) link
can we let texas secede already, and make puerto rico the 50th state?
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/texas-adoption-agencies-could-soon-ban-gays-jews-muslims-n756201
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 May 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
That is 100% horseshit.
― her squamous hamhocks (DJP), Monday, 8 May 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
https://apnews.com/9af89fea48254378846a459c5d0f412d/Florida-city-to-rename-streets-honoring-Confederate-generals
What the fucking fuck is wrong in America is what I'd like to know...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
Haven't you heard? The south refuses to understand its own history, largely because acknowledging how horrible it was (and is) would require them to let go of their false pride in The Lost Cause and their deep-seated sense of grievance over losing the civil war, and replace that with a powerful sense of shame. That, plus, there are still lots of unrepentant racists all over the place, not just the south.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
I originally misread that as the city trying to give confederate names to streets that don't currently have them which sadly seems totally plausible
― joygoat, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
http://reallifemag.com/what-was-the-nerd/
This article is really interesting.
I have had a working thesis for the past year-and-a-half that "all memes, not just overtly alt-right memes, feed into the proliferation of alt-right psychological thought patterns". That thought pattern, essentially, can be boiled down to this: “nobody will ever let go of the fantasy that they themselves are the most victimized"
Meme-sharing not only encourages ironic detachment, but in many cases, especially Dat Boi and Harambe, see usually-white usually-nerds accessorizing (and thus exerting authority over) edgy-but-not-quite-racist content.
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
In this same vein: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/digital-blackface-reaction-gifs
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
lmao that most of the examples in that story are Megan McCain
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
yeah, I noticed that too
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
wait, i meant
http://78.media.tumblr.com/2c56806c0ea9a954cecce710e08c7b4d/tumblr_o0ew01TjYm1rlafseo1_400.gif
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
Thought about that Teen Vogue piece a lot since reading, as someone who has posted GIFs featuring a black person's reaction (but where potentially part of the problem is also that I don't actually know who they are tho they're always figures of admiration - if that makes sense? I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein) a handful of times. Dammit I really love Smart Guy though :(
― nashwan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
What's the ILX verdict on whether or not this gif is racist?
https://imgur.com/GDU2xh8
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
I can see compelling arguments both for and against
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
that's a poorly formed gif
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
Ah, tone-deaf usage of AAVE gifs is the most easily identifiable "white gays are the worst" kind of racism
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
part of me would like to hear your argument for why it isn't racist but it's probably better if I don't chew directly through my cheek while suppressing rage
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link