Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

Like, even when I agree with them, the whole atmosphere cultivated by the “big” socialist personalities and their #irony brethren is so noxious that I have no idea how they possibly think they're being effective stewards of their ideas. And it’s super-easy to see what happens when any of them go after one of their favored opponents: dozens of wannabe ironyboys rush in and fill twitter threads with total garbage. I’ve seen it enough times in the past, like, month that I’m inclined to believe that what gets DMed and emailed is worse.

― intheblanks, Friday, 15 July 2016 19:28 (1 hour ago) Permalink

nailed it

what the fuck is "jacobinghazi"? Some Michelle Malkin thing?

Idk if he endorses it I just think he isn't that concerned because he hates Jeong, like how someone on ilx responds to the news that Trump receives death threats.

Bruenig is a moron anyway -- nothing was more embarrassing than when deboer, greenwald, and the other dorks tried to claim he was fired for "daring to take on clinton" rather than for being a jerk and a PR liability

this is an interesting document to compare with the wearetheleft statement, since it seems to be making the same argument with due specificity and without being cloaked in the claiming-the-left stuff

http://sadydoyle.tumblr.com/post/144839773888/patterns

sady doyle was one of the main authors of the wearetheleft statement, right? She's definitely the one who gets @ed when someone wants their name taken off the list.

She drafted the whole thing I think

That seems to be the CW

Bruenig is a moron anyway -- nothing was more embarrassing than when deboer, greenwald, and the other dorks tried to claim he was fired for "daring to take on clinton" rather than for being a jerk and a PR liability

deboer still fighting that exact fight this very moment

what the fuck is "jacobinghazi"

some jacobin writer linked to a professional drama monger on twitter as an example of how not to treat certain issues w/ casual language and said drama monger predictably made lots of drama. really the details don't matter - what matters is that it came down mostly to a fight between the most hysteric of the identity twitteratis vs the socialism bros. neither side made out particularly well from it but i do think that in that particular case the twitter ppl taking offense made a lot of claims about meaning + intent that were not supported by the obvious facts of the case. and they also came under a lot of abuse that they probably did not deserve despite being dumb + wrong.

freddie blocked me and man i miss hate reading that shit

what the fuck is "jacobinghazi"? Some Michelle Malkin thing?

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, July 15, 2016 3:30 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feud between different left twitterers, one faction associated with jacobin mag

xp look i wouldn't call one of the parties a 'drama mongerer' (even tho i guess i've already said worse)

i mean she made a very big deal out of a linked tweet that was really not a big deal by any reasonable adult standard.

Treeship, I agree with you in your description of Bruenig, but you're describing a misogynistic serial harasser. It's not okay to not be concerned with death threats, just because you hate people for whatever reason. And Jeong is not Trump. Bruenigs hatred of her is supposedly based on two tweets he didn't like back then (seriously, try and read his justification, it's a jumbled mess). And mostly he seems to hate women who speak against him. It is really not okay. It's not 'moronic'. It's not embarrassing. It's abuse and harassment, and it's a serious problem.

you already won this one fred

Treeship, I agree with you in your description of Bruenig, but you're describing a misogynistic serial harasser.

i only give your posts the gentlest of skims but... come on, this is not true

can someone praesee this latest episode of internecine death-of-the-left ilxing for me pls

you already won this one fred

― goole, Friday, July 15, 2016 4:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are there really any winners here, are there

someone from the identity left published a letter calling out socialism bros for not taking non-class based bigotry seriously and they responded by calling her an apologist for neoliberalism and both are trying to claim that they are the legitimate "left" xp

standard

did we rehash the part where all the people rallying around the wearetheleft letter tried to explain how an alligator eating a baby wasn't a big deal because the baby was white.

that was good

yeah that was a banner day on twitter dot com

wasn't that just one tweet by one person?

Was it "all the people" though?

Both sides seem to be misrepresenting each other. There seems to be a specific case against a toxic culture the bruenig team are facilitating but it was abstracted so much in the letter. I think the responses to the letter are doing something similar. It just goes around and around as people try to claim the mantle of the "true left"

that alligator tweet was 'my daughters vagina is this ham sandwich' level good shit

the usual suspects went all in defending the tweet

jesus what's become of us all? i know i'm repeating myself but fucking god the blog era was better.

lol

These ppl all just like fights. They're like alcoholic Irish grandparents.

i don't think any of this is the "true left". there are funny political commentators and they clown people who are really right-wing but try to claim not to be, then the latter try to get them fired or banned or blocked or etc and round and round it goes and i read mainly for the jokes.

http://i.imgur.com/6wYCI1o.png

http://i.imgur.com/xVPGTOt.png

s-dy d-yle who absolutely knows what harassment is and opposes it in all forms and wouldn't engage in it nosiree

maybe one day they'll finally overthrow arthur chu and sady doyle and we'll have the socialist utopia we deserve

probably being a writer who lives on twitter and looks for paid publication opportunities and thinks of your work as political in some praxis-meets-the-road sense gives you a seriously compromised sense of the currency of words

who is the "true left" tho - like just those internecine trotsky + maoist groups? treesh and i were talking earlier this week about one particular drama among the far left that was completely incomprehensible on an ideological level and only made sense on an interpersonal level. but of course totally wrapped in supposed ideological language.

s.clover you think that's harassment?

here's the link if anyone's interested:
https://rosswolfe.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/sebastian-budgen-burn-notice-against-ross-wolfe-lol.pdf

ftr i love wolfe's blog and find it v valuable even if he's a dick irl

s.clover you think that's harassment?

― Frederik B, Friday, July 15, 2016 5:09 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd like to hear why you don't

cue 'punching up' mumbling

Asking someone a question every five minutes on twitter?

No name calling, no threats, no doxing, no nothing. Just repeating a question...

Meanwhile your defending people 'doing their part' in pileups including death threats. Oooookay...

lol for some reason i'm not surprised fred doesn't think incessant faux-naive loaded questions are harassment :p

i don't think any of this is the "true left". there are funny political commentators and they clown people who are really right-wing but try to claim not to be, then the latter try to get them fired or banned or blocked or etc and round and round it goes and i read mainly for the jokes.

― R.I.P. Haram-bae, the good posts goy (s.clover), Friday, July 15, 2016 5:00 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

probably being a writer who lives on twitter and looks for paid publication opportunities and thinks of your work as political in some praxis-meets-the-road sense gives you a seriously compromised sense of the currency of words

― j., Friday, July 15, 2016 5:07 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

Hey, I think Sady Doyle is annoying as well, but let's perhaps not call those questions the same thing as the abuse Bruenig and others are 'doing their part' in.

These ppl all just like fights. They're like alcoholic Irish grandparents.

― Treeship, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:56 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is nice

weaponizing accusations of bigotry can be abusive too or so i hear

These ppl all just like fights. They're like alcoholic Irish grandparents.

― Treeship

i had an alcoholic irish ancestor who died in an insane asylum and i am very offended by your comment

Me too p much

memories of my irish american uncle high on meds going 80 on a residential street and doing a rollover

it's not clear to me i have any forebears who were otherwise, rush xp

This is great stuff lads keep it coming