did they apply the ol 'in his mind at the time' standard?
― j., Friday, 15 July 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link
previous story: http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/maryland/bond-hearing-in-prince-georges-co-officers-murder/84782698
UPPER MARLBORO, Md. (WUSA9) -- The shot that killed Officer Jacai Colson during a shootout Sunday at Prince George's County police headquarters was "deliberately aimed at him" by another officer, police officials announced Wednesday. Prince George's County Police Chief Hank Stawinski said the officer fired at Colson, who was in plain clothes during the shootout, because they perceived him to be a threat."I do not believe for a second that a police officer intentionally fired at another police officer," Stawinski said.
Prince George's County Police Chief Hank Stawinski said the officer fired at Colson, who was in plain clothes during the shootout, because they perceived him to be a threat.
"I do not believe for a second that a police officer intentionally fired at another police officer," Stawinski said.
so to answer your question: yes
― http://porno (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
were the cops all from the same precinct? what was the expectation that they knew each other?
i haven't read about this case beyond a few stories just now, but while there's some potential for implicit bias working (white cop sees colson, and shooters, thinks: one of them), the circumstances make it sound eligible to be a genuine accident, apart from that potential. which would mean the law would be hard to apply otherwise.
― j., Friday, 15 July 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/atlanta-cop-who-shot-unarmed-black-man-charged-wit/nry7G/
― best beloved trumppence (crüt), Saturday, 16 July 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
And here we go again.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/us/baton-rouge-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
― how's life, Sunday, 17 July 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link
Strategically speaking, declaring war on the cops is not going to solve the problem of unprovoked police violence against black men. Then again, extreme passivity by black men during interactions with the police hasn't solved the problem, either.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 17 July 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link
If anything is going to get assault rifles banned...
― Any Given User (Eazy), Sunday, 17 July 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/opinion/sunday/were-helping-deport-kids-to-die.html
this was a powerful piece about the Obama administration's complicity in Mexico's deportation program. basically, they are refusing to give asylum to people who aren't migrants but refugees, fleeing powerful gangs in el salvador and honduras.
i'm not always a big believe in national conversations, but i think America needs to start talking about the moral responsibility we have toward central america. these countries were directly devastated by US policy and not just economically. i don't think anyone here needs the reagan year footnotes
― Treeship, Sunday, 17 July 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
sorry wrong thread
― Treeship, Sunday, 17 July 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
why would we need Reagan-era footnotes when obv he was the GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER
― Nhex, Sunday, 17 July 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link
this is the end (maybe) of a tweetstorm from journalist JJ McNab on the baton rouge shooter, who was a sovereign citizen
https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/755091929726001152
there's a KC star story linked in there too.
― goole, Monday, 18 July 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
"Note that his given name GAVIN EUGENE LONG is in all capital letters while his "corrected" name Cosmo Ausar Setepenra, is mixed case."
― goole, Monday, 18 July 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
man, jj's tweets = one helluva rabbithole
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 July 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
setep en ra = son of ra
hoooooo boy
*chosen by ra, sorry, not son of
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 July 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
I want to read more jj macnab now
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Monday, 18 July 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
many right-wing tweeters point out Long's involvement w/ Nation of Islam but don't mention his marine background
― curmudgeon, Monday, 18 July 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
xpost: she's a good follow on twitter
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 July 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
i didn't know there was a significant black offshoot of the sovcit movement, or black-nationalist uptake of those ideas.
― goole, Monday, 18 July 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
moorish science temple predates sovcit stuff, and actually NOI was an offshoot historically speaking.
that said, in that period the mst wasn't sovcit in ideology, closer to garveyism but without any repatriation stuff
― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link
or related to a black offshoot of freemasonry when that was still a prominent "civic society" force
― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
Video Shows Unarmed Black Man Pleading With Arms Raised Before Getting Shot by Police
“I thought it was a mosquito bite, and when it hit me I had my hands in the air, and I’m thinking I just got shot!” Kinsey told WSVN. “And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 21 July 2016 12:48 (seven years ago) link
in my hometown too
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2016 13:00 (seven years ago) link
the cynical part of me wonders how many white technocrats who previously underplayed this as a "problem" will start getting concerned now that the cops are shooting people who take care of their autistic kids
― big rave warrior (rushomancy), Thursday, 21 July 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link
^^^
mst/noi have all kinds of things that are weird and imperfect but they also have done a lot of good for people and should not be conflated w/freemen who're a narcissistic cult imo
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 21 July 2016 13:27 (seven years ago) link
And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”
reminds me of the officer who shot philando castile desperately screaming "why did he move?" after pulling the trigger (uh, because you asked him for his id). suggests that a lot of cops out there shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a loaded gun.
― Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 July 2016 13:40 (seven years ago) link
so what i get from this is that when you militarize the police, they start acting like they're in nam? huh. didn't see that one coming.
― big rave warrior (rushomancy), Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
Show me some ID! (But without moving your hands, or any other appendage, towards anyplace your ID might reasonably be located!)
It is just enraging and horrific to me that there is an actual existing human mindset that can't see the problem there.
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link
we may be getting to the point where people will opt for scannable neck ID bar codes so they'll no longer have to chance reaching for their wallet
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link
to what extent are officers, generally-speaking, exposed to high-stress situations in training? reminds me of something I read from Malcom Gladwell (I know, I know), which he alludes to here:
MG: I talked for a long time when I was doing "Blink" with a fascinating guy named Gavin deBecker, who runs one of the top personal security agencies in Los Angeles.
Basically, if you're a movie star or a billionaire or the Sultan of Brunei, he provides you with your bodyguard. DeBecker talked a lot about how rigorously he trains his people. If the quality of our coordination and instinctive reactions breaks down when our heart rate gets above 145, he wants to expose his people to stressful situations over and over and over again until they can face them at 130, 110 or 90.
So he fires bullets at people, and does these utterly terrifying exercises involving angry pit bulls. The first and second and third and fourth time you run through one of deBecker's training sessions you basically lose control of your bowels and take off like a scalded cat. By the fifth time, essential bodily functions start to return. By the 10th time, you can function as a normal human being.
― evol j, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
shit i get all stressed out and inaccurate when i'm playing a FPS and stuff gets hairy
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 21 July 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
remind me why we roll our eyes at Gladwell?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 July 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
iirc he's pro cigarette smoking or something
― Mordy, Thursday, 21 July 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Well he's a corporate shill...
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 July 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link
Perhaps it is because Gladwell strikes the pose of always knowing everything that is important to know about the subject he is addressing and then makes a show of drawing the only possible conclusion. He treats his readers as cattle being driven up a chute into his selected cattle car.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 21 July 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
he spreads conclusions not understanding, and he doesn't understand the statistics he's reporting, which is why in his world all effects are large
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 July 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
he's also a plagiarist https://ourbadmedia.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/a-guide-for-journalists-on-how-to-understand-our-gladwell-reporting/
― woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Thursday, 21 July 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/charges-dropped-against-3-remaining-officers-in-freddie-gray-case.html
The prosecutors’ decision to drop the remaining charges was disclosed during a pretrial motion for Officer Garrett Miller, whose trial was scheduled to begin this week. Lawyers from Ms. Mosby’s office announced that the state would not prosecute that case or the two remaining ones — against Sgt. Alicia D. White and against Officer Porter, the first officer to be tried.There had been little public hint of the decision; Judge Barry Williams of the Baltimore City Circuit Court had imposed a strict gag order on all the lawyers, defendants and witnesses, seeking to tamp down publicity surrounding a death that had sparked violent protests and riots last spring.A court spokeswoman said Wednesday that the gag order has now been lifted.
There had been little public hint of the decision; Judge Barry Williams of the Baltimore City Circuit Court had imposed a strict gag order on all the lawyers, defendants and witnesses, seeking to tamp down publicity surrounding a death that had sparked violent protests and riots last spring.
A court spokeswoman said Wednesday that the gag order has now been lifted.
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
to what extent are officers, generally-speaking, exposed to high-stress situations in training?
Such as traffic stops of African American men with babies in the car?!
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 14:44 (seven years ago) link
Sorry if this isn't exactly a valuable contribution to the thread, but every time I see a picture of Sandra Bland's face on social media I get this awful, hair-raising shiver, as though her face were telling me she was murdered. It's totally bullshit and superstitious sounding but I cannot see photos of her without feeling haunted.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Saturday, 30 July 2016 03:17 (seven years ago) link
bratton out
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link
Police accountability groups want him to leave sooner than potentially end of 2017. Still good news tho.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
lol shit I should read the news huh
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/mayors-survey-police-shooting-law-enforcement-dallas-214152
A year after America’s mayors declared their concern that “Ferguson could happen to us,” a more multifaceted anxiety over the relationship between police and minority communities has taken hold in the country’s city halls, a new Politico Magazine survey finds.During one of the most tumultuous summers in urban politics, ignited by the murder of eight police officers after more controversial police shootings of black men, more than half of mayors say they are very worried about the safety of their black citizens but nearly three-quarters of mayors say they now fear for their officers’ lives as well.
During one of the most tumultuous summers in urban politics, ignited by the murder of eight police officers after more controversial police shootings of black men, more than half of mayors say they are very worried about the safety of their black citizens but nearly three-quarters of mayors say they now fear for their officers’ lives as well.
― j., Tuesday, 9 August 2016 02:36 (seven years ago) link
this is a great piece -http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/08/18/black-lives-and-the-police/
it's unusual to read a piece like this in 2016, with no explicit thesis or argument, there is no hot take. it's more of a documentation or testimony. and to me it reads powerfully for that reason, it feels like real reporting
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link
The DOJ report on Baltimore is out. Haven't read it yet, but it's supposed to be pretty damning.
https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6915773/DOJ_Baltimore_Police_Department.0.pdf
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 23:44 (seven years ago) link
synopsis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/federal-probe-finds-baltimore-police-dept-racially-discriminated-in-practices-that-target-blacks/2016/08/09/51216804-5e8a-11e6-af8e-54aa2e849447_story.html
― Lee626, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:42 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/FOP3/status/763481919413641216
bpd union response - they call for the immediate elimination of the comstat program
― j., Thursday, 11 August 2016 02:16 (seven years ago) link
http://www.cbs58.com/story/32754977/governor-activates-national-guard-in-milwaukee
― ro✧✧✧@il✧✧✧.c✧✧ (sleeve), Sunday, 14 August 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link