Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

j/k

I would also like to submit that the murder of Maddie is one of the scariest sequences ever to be shown on network TV.

YES

yo the special feature doc on the twin peaks movie dvd is really funny. Whoever edited it made most of the actors who took part in it look like huge idiots

Hawk: Some of my best friends are white people.

That scene freaked me the fuck out the first time i saw that movie. Almost as much as the weird face at the end of Inland Empire.

― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 29 September 2008 10:15 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I got around to watching Inland Empire and that face is pretty fukking nasty

http://api.ning.com/files/-jTS6W3nJqm58uuppaYSG0nyNTVVOTjcc1HUbl4TWuI_/InlandEmpireScream2.jpg

yeeeeeeeeah I should not have clicked on that.

whats the point, he just has a normal movie with eerie settings and throws in something surprising

― CaptainLorax, Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:54 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest

I can't think of a single David Lynch movie that would qualify as a normal movie, even if you would go in an remove the obvious 'weird' parts. The dialogue alone throughout his movies is enough to make them a surreal experience.

yeah - Lynch's sense of pacing is nothing like a "normal" movie

DNFTT?

That scene freaked me the fuck out the first time i saw that movie. Almost as much as the weird face at the end of Inland Empire.

― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 29 September 2008 10:15 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I got around to watching Inland Empire and that face is pretty fukking nasty

― wilter, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:18 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Yes. Also I've just realised that's Laura Dern's face, isn't it? It's the same as the bit when she's running in slow motion under a spotlight, then abruptly zooms right into the camera with a really terrifying stretchy-mouthed rictus. That bit really shat me up.

http://i36.tinypic.com/25i446v.jpg
when the face turns into ^^this, it seems to be underwater, the blood kind of floats up?

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah I need to stop clicking on those.

after watching that murder scene on TV, I think it was late 1990? I went to a graveyard shift at the bagel bakery and carried a big knife around with me all night because I was so scared.

next week we all got ready to watch the show and my girlfriend and I suddenly realized that there would be "last week on Twin Peaks" clips and we ran and hid in my room while my housemates screamed in horror, again.

i am trying not to read this thread until i finish watching this thing, but ep 15 (first post Leland-as-Bob) was not directed by Lynch, right? this is unwatchable.

i guess he only directed a few of them. and i think it's the writing, really. what happened here?

i don't remember when i stopped watching the first time around

i am trying not to read this thread until i finish watching this thing, but ep 15 (first post Leland-as-Bob) was not directed by Lynch, right? this is unwatchable.

that was my exact reaction while i was into this show and saw that episode. i stopped watching it after that episode and have never picked it back up.

after reading this thread i've decided i need to see the rest of season 2!

'Neb, it's not nearly the worst in that season. That particular episode was written by Scott Frost (brother of Mark, he also wrote the autobio of Cooper -- "My Life, My Tapes") and directed by Caleb Deschanel.

i.e. it only goes downhill from here. Though there is an upswing when Coop figures everything out, it goes WAY further down after that. Then back up again whe Wyndham comes around.

*when

(The other episode that Scott directed is the one in which the big highlight is that Leo Johnson is reanimated, but mostly all that goes on is more boring-ass James/Evelyn crap, i.e. worst plot ever)

(And I'm happy to blame Scott for the badness of that particular episode you mentioned, 'Neb, because Caleb directed a couple of other episodes. One is in the first few [5, I'm pretty sure] and is a classic, and the other is the one in which Dick Tremaine imagines Little Nicky in a thought bubble over his head dressed as Satan, ergo classic.)

i guess he only directed a few of them. and i think it's the writing, really. what happened here?

I think by the second season Lynch had already lost interest with TP, he went on to direct Wild at Heart, and only returned to do the final episode of series. But the lack of Lynch isn't really the biggest problem, since he didn't write or direct most of season 1 either. I think the main problem is that apparently Frost and Lynch had few long-term plans about what would happen in the series once the mystery of Laura's death was solved... IIRC Lynch never wanted that mystery to be revealed in the first place, whereas Frost thought that audience will eventually want to know who killed Laura. I remember reading an interview with one of the main writers of the series, and he mentioned that after Laura's murder was resolved the writers were often just making up the plot as it went along, which I think explains the uneven nature of the second half of season 2. (Though there are still some fine things in there, like the bits with Andy and Dick Tremaine and Little Nick.) Then again, even if you're the most skilled of writers, it's kinda hard to keep up people's interest in a series whose main driving force has been a murder mystery, and that mystery has just been solved.

I found the Wyndham Earle stuff really tedious (oh and it's actually spelt Windom, which also irritated me). And the pacing is so weird, things seem to get put aside or even forgotten about, like when the one-armed man turns up at the police station to sell Harry some shoes, but Harry's away, and doesn't see him for another two or three episodes, between which he just vanishes. Or when Coop is going to rescue Audrey and tells Harry to get one of his best men to meet him at 9pm - so when Harry himself turns up at 9pm you think "right let's go rescue Audrey!" but no, they actually do it the next evening. Or when Lucy says "Deputy Hawk is in your office, he's with someone I've never seen before but he looks really sad..." - who? He's never referred to again! And yet there is the confusing appearance of a minor character called "Cappy", a sherriff's assistant or perhaps a Bookhouse Boy, who is otherwise only seen for split-second in episode 6.

(Those last two bits from ep. 20.)

The movie is really great though, it really brings into sharp and terrifying focus the horror in Laura's life, often referred to in the series but never really felt.

just bought the whole series box set a few weeks ago, and i don't plan on ever watching most of season 2 for the reasons enumerated above. even as a 13-year-old watching them as they originally aired, i realized something was off.

season 2 on the whole is obviously not as good but people are too hard on it as a whole. with the exception of the diane keaton directed episode, it's always at least mildly entertaining.

The film totally elucidates what's going with Bob/the Little Man/the Lodges, etc. The proof is in the Garmonbozia!

no it doesn't.

Yeah, it does, actually! You might have to watch it 90 times and read the script, but it definitely clarifies a few things.

season two is kind of worth slogging through for the finale

xpost. it totally clarifies things, I had no idea that the Little Man was Mike ("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo"), or that the giant was also evil (he is also in on the gormonbozia eating). In fact I wasn't even sure that the Little Man was evil.

And yes, season two is worth slogging through for the finale as it is definitely in the top 3 episodes. Arguably the best episode.

I recently watched both seasons and the movie in the space of about four days. It was quite immersive and totally awesome. Especially as it was my first time watching the second season and the movie.

did you watch the documentary that comes w/ the movie dvd

I love it so much that I know I posted about it here a long time ago and I'm posting about it again!!!!

maybe i'll re-watch FWWM. not alone though, i'd get scared.

someone explain the garbanzo thing, I've seen everything and have no idea what it is

damn, no, I torrented the movie and loaned the tv show off my friend! Would really like to watch the documentary!

The movie to me is just one of the scariest films I've ever seen, being someone who generally isn't frightened by movies. Also the incest/sexual abuse angle which is avoided to some extent in the series (in the series Leland is meant to be under BOB's control when he's abusing Laura, and remembers nothing of it afterwards, in the film we see that he does remember, and there's the horrific line "I always thought you knew it was me" or something along those lines. Totally o_0

My interpretation of gormonbozia is that it's the sustenance for the people who live in the black lodge, as Laura's murder produces gormonbozia, and also Mike is angry at Bob for stealing his gormonbozia, I would say that this comes from the evil shit that Bob does/the fear that it creates.

Check out the still picture of the "above a convenience store" scene that happens when the midge is sitting across from bob at the formica table.

("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo")

You hear this "woo woo woo" (turn up the volume a little and pay attention) when Mike starts harrassing Leland in his car on the road, and also when it shows the electrical poles at the trailer park (<<<this is, I think, very important).

"Electricity!"

yeah, that woo woo woo bit with Mike in the car was like a major point for me, but really easy to miss. Must admit that I did miss it at the part with the electrical poles at the trailer park!

i've only watched fwwm once, not something I could easily rewatch by myself either because of aforementioned scary-as-fuckness.

xpost. it totally clarifies things, I had no idea that the Little Man was Mike ("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo"), or that the giant was also evil (he is also in on the gormonbozia eating).

This is wrong, the Giant isn't even in FWWM.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

oooooooooooooohkay! Did not intend to post that thrice.