Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

someone tell the NY Times, they still had "two snipers" 20 mins ago

xxxp

some of the shitest dunmb assholes that i went to high school with are now cops

Same the world over.

NY Times was where I saw this: http://www.nytimes.com/live/news-dallas-shooting-protest/johnson-was

It's weird this turned out to be one guy, there was so much stuff going around suggesting multiple shooters, although I know I know fog of war and whatnot.

Jesus Christ,these fucking headlines. I'm bracing myself for something along the lines of 'Sniper Who Suggested That Whites Are Too Chickenshit To Engage In A Race War Kills Five White Police Officers'.

Although the most sinister yet is 'US Police Forces Respond to Dallas Attack With Grief, Action'.

If it really was one guy, I really want to know more about what exactly prompted the police to detain these other suspects.

there was footage of a guy shooting at ground level def not sniping guess it cldve been after he was on the move

yeah I saw that footage too

In most jurisdictions, cops are well-paid in the same sense that public school teachers are well-paid - good benefits, a decent middle-class/lower-middle-class income (before overtime and side-gigs for police). You won't starve but in urban areas it's not going to be easy.

Dallas PD had an issue a couple of years back about how few city cops could afford to live in the city itself if they wanted to raise a family.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, July 8, 2016 6:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is definitely not how los angeles operates

http://per.lacity.org/psb/lapd_salary.htm

http://achieve.lausd.net/Page/4140

my understanding is that it is easier to move up to pay grade 2/po2 making 70k per annum than to do the same teaching at a public school

do cops still get those sweet sweet pension plans after they retire or is it just for the brass

If it really was one guy, I really want to know more about what exactly prompted the police to detain these other suspects.

why? i mean, sure, it's an open question, but detaining people on even vague suspicion seems a sensible move in a situation like this.

Got into a p annoying fb fight with a lefty friend who was advocating for dismantling police unions. Really don't think that's the answer.

i met an ex police officer here who retired in 10yrs and was getting ~100k per annum including benefits

owns a house in a beach city and surfs all day

also bothered by the grumbling about ex-servicemen in police forces. absent support, the implied accusation is horseshit.

Politicians prostrate before police unions is one of the smelliest constants in American life. deBlasio rolled over for them quickly in NYC after initially being somewhat measured.

Clinton tweeted some palaver about cops' "sacred" duty, i'm pretty sure most don't see it that way.

do cops still get those sweet sweet pension plans after they retire or is it just for the brass

― 龜, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya and u cn retire quite young is def a huge draw is my understanding

Sacré pd bleu

it is tbh def an extremely difficult job but they need to do it much better

then you get a nice part time job in security while you collect your pension xxp

Early retirement with a large pension is one of the few things is one of the few things I have little argument about re: police.

just retire them right away imo

how the fuck could this have been one guy? all last night the police and the news were reporting that the snipers had "triangulated" the officers. NBC played three videos taken right when the shooting started, and there's no way that could've been one guy, there were too many rounds being fired simultaneously.

turns out it was just one guy i guess

ehhhhhhhhhh

one guy can't melt steel beams

Forget it, flappy, it's Dallas.

what are you implying flappy bird?

Forget it, flappy, it's Dallas.

― Waking Up Is For Suckers (Old Lunch), Friday, July 8, 2016 2:42 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

Triangle Man?

what are you implying flappy bird?

― Treeship, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nothing, it just seems extremely unlikely/impossible it could've been one guy given the circumstances and all the news last night. i know how much changes in a situation like this, but i heard the shooting, there were multiple guns being fired simultaneously. FWIW, Brian Williams was just interviewing an ex-SWAT guy and they both agreed the single shooter theory is insane.

weird. i would think the cops would still have an active investigation if they thought there were more shooters on the loose

info disseminated at the time of crisis is universally wrong

i wonder to what extent cop dramas and films condition regular police officers to believe that their jobs are far more dangerous than they are. /notippergore

like the videos that NBC were playing last night clearly had multiple guns going off at once for a sustained period. xp i don't think anyone is on the loose, but there are another five people in custody rn

some of the shots u heard were prob being fired by the police

one explanation for the abundance of gun shots could be echoing off the buildings. idk

rapid fire shots in a tight urban environment would reverberate and could sound like multiple shooters firing at the same time

xp true

i wonder to what extent cop dramas and films condition regular police officers to believe that their jobs are far more dangerous than they are. /notippergore

― Mordy, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hollywood def hangs heavy in the mind of authoritarian america, but also part of it is cops do have incredibly stressful and more dangerous than most jobs, they work literally in the field of violence, so its not much of a leap to overestimate how much their lives are in danger imo

cops returning fire plus ricochets/echoes?

doesn't seem that crazy to me that an army vet could do the shooting alone since there were a lot of cops to aim for and they were standing out in the open, and he was likely in a secluded position of defilade

+its a self aggrandizing belief so there u go xp self

hollywood def hangs heavy in the mind of authoritarian america, but also part of it is cops do have incredibly stressful and more dangerous than most jobs, they work literally in the field of violence, so its not much of a leap to overestimate how much their lives are in danger imo

i don't have the figures handy but i've definitely seen stats that suggest that there are many more dangerous jobs in america than law enforcement

7/11 clerk in bad neighborhood

I have a friend who will testify to that very assertion.

its not the most dangerous job but its def moreso than sitting at a desk, its also prob the most violent job xp

i would be willing to bet that's true but i think the constant possibility of violence (some of which is obv exacerbated or created by the presence of police!) makes it a form of psychological violence on the psyche of officers. much of this once again is completely self imposed and much of it comes w/training, like "be ready for anything".

conspiracy theories about a shooting in dallas seems natural

difference between violent vs. lethal i think

like garbage collector or fishingperson may be more lethal jobs than cop but neither requires you to violently subjugate people and be frequently present in situations of high animus, its just a fucked up brutal job that cannot be good for ones mental health has got to be a big part of the equation

and it is also relative to most jobs pretty dangerous