Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

Vigil, rather. Not necessarily memorial.

fuck a john walsh

John Walsh is a good reminder that the other side is just flat wrong.

Here's Periscope vid of the guy pulling a gun.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/751248080121442304

The portland event is still going on, btw. Cops have apparently threatened chemical weapons now.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins

We are so fucked. I'm feeling sick.

What if this ends up being some supremacist group trying to give Helter Skelter a head start? How is that going to go down...

Ugh...

Wow, I picked a hell of a time to stop paying attention to the news last night. This fucking country.

Just FYI, y'all who are excoriating John Walsh upthread, that Twitter account belongs to the non-Eagles-affiliated Joe Walsh. I'm glad at least to realize that John Walsh hasn't turned into a racist scumbag.

when a white guy shot up Dallas police HQ last year

i dont know all the details about the sniper, but it was just waiting to happen. i dont want to see people die, but when police dont take this kind of thing seriously, it creates the right environment for this kind of thing to happen. erykah badu on facebook was suggesting its a setup, but i dont buy it. when people can arm themselves, its only natural that someone would eventually organise themselves in this way. and IMO, someone enacting revenge killings in this way is more organised, and knows his targets better than people rioting aimlessly, etc.

i dont want to watch the snuff videos of the men being killed, but i saw a brief bit of one on the news (thank god they stopped it before the actual shooting), and that was enough. police have an unchecked combination of fear, hatred, and abuse of power.

I can't help but be sadly amused and disgusted by Dallas police attempting to blame the first black guy they could plausibly blame. They apparently even told him they had video of him shooting.

http://gawker.com/dallas-police-just-released-the-man-they-wrongly-identi-1783329739

Cops always tell suspects that they have evidence that they did it. I was in a traffic stop once where a cop told me that he had sent a bong (found in the car - not mine) back to the crime lab and my fingerprints were all over it. I had only been sitting on the curb for ten minutes. I guess it gets some people to confess quicker. I was pretty insulted.

i feel physically ill from the last few days

xp yeah, that's how a lot of innocent people end up in prison

so they're now thinking it was just one shooter, killed by a bomb the cops deliberately detonated?

Who is thinking that?

Latest headline at the DallasNews site says "Bomb squad's robot killed Dallas sniper who targeted white officers to avenge police shootings."

was going by this cnn update

Death by robot? That's a new one.

death by drone. thats pretty scary.

"Dallas shooting: suspect stated he wanted to 'kill white officers'"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/08/dallas-police-shooting-gunman-kill-white-officers

"Speaking from Warsaw, Poland, Obama said: “I believe I speak for every single American when I say we are horrified over these events and we stand united with the people and the police department in Dallas,” he said. “According to police there are multiple suspects, we will learn more about their twisted motivations but let’s be clear: there is no possible justification for these kind of attacks or any violence against law enforcement."

if the sniper(s) really wanted to be thorough, they would have gone for the actual officers responsible.

I'm just wondering-- is anyone confirming that it was a single sniper?

I don't think so. One shooter confirmed and confirmed dead, three or more uncooperative suspects in custody.

And I guess two civilians injured, as well? Still, the shooter(s) must've been very well-trained.

I don't think so. One shooter confirmed and confirmed dead, three or more uncooperative suspects in custody.
--some anal dread (Old Lunch)

I thought two of those suspects were released.

is anyone confirming that it was a single sniper?

no, that came from my misreading of a quote in the cnn article

I'm particularly disgusted by the news media's need to take a horrific incident and distill it into the single most terrible little soundbite description possible and then run that into the ground. in Orlando it was "the worst mass shooting in American history" which is true and awful no doubt but it felt like CNN repeated that precise verbiage 5000 times in the days following the tragedy. now today you can already see "deadliest day for officers since 9/11" and we're off and running. you'll see and hear that dozens of times before the weekend is through.

And the same people who always say that we shouldn't politicize shootings are already sharing this piece of bullshit all over social media.

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13621001_1739943566264450_832445238699636983_n.jpg?oh=561c75ce7eb87d46014686e1a712ac13&oe=58377E54

barf.

yeah, I watched Obama's address yesterday evening where he very pointedly asked for people not to immediately jump to political rhetoric and literally within 15 minutes two people were screaming at each other on CNN.

TBF, we need to figure out who to blame and be angry at ASAP, and only CNN can show us the way.

Unrelated to Dallas, Nashville cop suspended for saying on Facebook that he would have shot Philando Castile 5 times: https://www.nashville.gov/News-Media/News-Article/ID/5449/Officer-Anthony-Venable-Decommissioned-Under-Investigation-for-Facebook-Post.aspx

Also, I cannot BELIEVE something like this was published at Redstate and that the comments are for the most part pretty reasonable: http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/07/08/uncomfortable-reason-came-dallas-yesterday/

Don't go to The Corner.

First, the police should be there to bring people to justice. Not dispense it.

Second, re politicizing, I wish I could mute the voice in my head that says gah, don't give talking points to the other side. Because it's not helpful and it trivializes the very human suffering involved.

Not in a jillion years. I'll wait for Edroso's evisceration.

xp

before last night all i kept thinking was that it was miraculous and simply unbelievable that there hadn't been more reprisal killings before now and now that there has been i'm still in awe that there aren't more considering the bullshit that PDs in this country are up to and the complete lack of accountability for extrajudicial murders committed by their officers. it's to the credit of the citizens of this country i think that last night is not a daily occurrence. and hopefully it'll be enough of a wakeup call for police to realize that every time an officer murders someone it threatens the lives of every officer in this country. and that every time someone murders someone and gets away with it, that also threatens their lives collectively.

hopefully it'll be enough of a wakeup call for police to realize that every time an officer murders someone it threatens the lives of every officer in this country. and that every time someone murders someone and gets away with it, that also threatens their lives collectively.

But is that the lesson they'll take from it? Maybe they'll just think "now we need to crack down on those lawless thugs even more."

If police were more vocally supportive of punishment for the bad apples, the public at large would be less inclined to lump them all together.

But every cop has probably seen Serpico so I don't see it happening, unfortunately.

"First, the police should be there to bring people to justice. Not dispense it."

they are only interested in bringing those outside the force to justice.

If police were more vocally supportive of punishment for the bad apples, the public at large would be less inclined to lump them all together.

― some anal dread (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 14:25 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You see tgis argument a lot in other contexts. Its wrong then too.

When will the Muslim community CONDEMN these horrible attacks?

I'm still appalled that scenarios from my option B are beginning to play themselves out.

It's not exactly the same though and I understand the impulse and don't have a solution myself. xp

ideally even human should be judged as an individual but the truth is that you represent your group, especially when you wear your group's uniform, and your actions impact how other members of your group are treated. if that's something that's a concern to you, you might want to make sure that other members of your group are not putting your life at risk with their shit behavior.

It is amazing in this day and age that more people haven't tried taking the law into their own hands and going off on cops. And hopefully, that remains the case -- really, I'm saying that it's amazing people are remaining sane in circumstances that provoke anger and frustration.

Most of my family is in the Dallas area, so last night was pretty fucked, personally. I didn't actually know TX was right to carry, and tho it seems crazy to me to bring a rifle to a protest, that initial "suspect" was pretty quickly cleared, and in fact surrendered the gun to the cops shortly after the shots went off. I haven't heard of any other weird doings from last night, and as far as the robot bomb thing -- if negotiations fail, I guess I'd rather involve a drone than a real person.

yeah, it's not exactly the same: it's either a cultural issue or a recruitment issue in the police, but either way the police chiefs have a responsibility for the behaviour of all of their officers and they really need to own that xps

darragh do you really think that police depts shouldn't try to prosecute their officers? what are you even arguing?