HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

Frederik I can't believe you didn't bring up the best cameo of the season, native son Frank Hvam as the Citadel's receptionist

I mean that you analogize it to splatter films and then parenthetically admit to being a fan of splatter films - this doesn't immediately make you realize you might be projecting just a bit?

I don't think projection has much to do with it - when the major plot points of a show all, over and over again, involve someone being raped/disemboweled/dismembered/whatever in gratuitous fashion it seems pretty obvious that all this other architecture built into the production is being used to build up to those moments, which then shock or titillate the audience to varying degrees, and in turn lead to more such incidents... seems pretty self-evident that it's what the show is structured around/"about". Desire for power = violence, that's what it's about. Which is not particularly deep or interesting and is largely why I find the show tiresome.

at least with cheapo gore movies there's often a sense of fun and a lack of pretense, here there's none of that.

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Which is not particularly deep or interesting

i'm not particularly sure either benioff or weiss consider their show to be particularly "deep" or have ever genuinely posited it as such in public statements. it's evident they think the characters are deep, which in various instances they are, certainly not all.

I'm laughin not cryin

― Οὖτις, Monday, June 27, 2016 4:02 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not mad

because they always find this aspect of the show to be the hardest to watch

also generally people love watching things that are "hard to watch", dunno how you missed this

I find this show fun, gore films too seldom are, Braindead an obviously fun exception.

thread derailer poll
frederik: continuity errors
josh: unclear on human behavior
shakey: basic challops

i'm not particularly sure either benioff or weiss consider their show to be particularly "deep" or have ever genuinely posited it as such in public statements.

Fair point, maybe I shouldn't go expecting depth where there's none intended. Although portentous dramas like this tend to make gestures towards depth/seriousness (cf. white savior + slaves subplots, impending climate-related catastrophe etc.) - they have to draw the viewers in and make them feel something important is at stake, after all.

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SHAKEY U DONT UNDERSTAND THE SHOW AT ALL STOP IT

enlighten me!

First you must confess!

is it just that you guys don't want to admit that sexiness/violence/gore (and the ultimate combo: sexual violence!) aren't central to the show's appeal here idgi it's like the raison d'etre for this show. Fantasy is for ADULTS now!

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lol Evan

the things yr saying dont even make sense together first its just abt gore and boobs then next post its a portentous drama make up yr damn mind

i think cersei is a fascinating character with an almost shakespearean grandeur--this last episode is a major departure for her in that her fierce protectiveness of her children is now gone as a motivating force. i would have expected her to collapse at the death of tommen, but she doesn't, which possibly suggests that her lust for power wasn't so much about her children as it was about projecting herself through her children. i think this was implied in an earlier season when she complains that, as a woman, there was no outlet for her will to power. now all the excuses/projections are gone and we get her in her full power-mad glory. next season could be awesome.

the things yr saying dont even make sense together first its just abt gore and boobs then next post its a portentous drama make up yr damn mind

the portentous drama bits are the window dressing/the framework for the gore + boobs (mostly gore tbh)

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i would have expected her to collapse at the death of tommen, but she doesn't, which possibly suggests that her lust for power wasn't so much about her children as it was about projecting herself through her children.

well you know what i think it suggests

idk i wldve gone with "the boobs are portentous" which is why i called yr challops basic, its like the snl skit level takedown

(apologies, a lot of what i said there is basically text rather than subtext)

like idk if you've ever watched porn before but it's not ALL money shots. this show is about as smart as yr average high budget porn movie. better costumes tho.

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you are literally so awful at this im offended by the lack of effort its disrespectful

GRRM was/maybe still is making some political allegories in the books (i'm p positive that for him the meereen stuff is an iraq metaphor), and some of that carries over to the show, but i think that in making the series its adapters are most interested by the intrapersonal dynamics and epic scope and pure genre elements.

they basically ARE making a B movie with an A budget (A by TV standards at least) with (mostly) well-drawn characters and seem very happy to do so.

hey c'mon I have more important things to put my energy into than trolling a bunch of fantasy nerds

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I think by Tommen's death she had gone numb, given her loss of control over him combined with her acceptance of the witch's "prophecy". That was my read.

more important things to put my energy into than trolling a bunch of fantasy nerds

...you've spent years trolling a board for a show you literally do not watch, clearly you have the time

I think by Tommen's death she had gone numb, given her loss of control over him combined with her acceptance of the witch's "prophecy". That was my read.

oh i forgot about the prophecy. what was it again?

my first thought was that it was WAY out character for her to be like "whatever, I'm queen now" (think of how she reacted to Joffrey's death--perhaps Lena Headey's finest moment) but yeah i think the contrast is meant to be instructive...

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-cersei-prophecy-not-finished-yet-065111625.html

the boy king's suicide seems like a huge crisis-within-a-crisis to me; the show just kind of breezed over it to get to the coronation scene. "i'll be regent again, oh ok, i guess i'll be queen, tra la"

i was half-expecting cersei to do something active and cynically "heroic" like rushing out to lead the effort to save the city after the whole cathedral neighborhood had been incinerated. aren't these people supposed to be clever? throw in a reference to thyestes but forget about nero i guess.

there was really no sense of a public suffering a disaster. descent isn't the only aspect to legitimacy...

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-cersei-prophecy-not-finished-yet-065111625.html

― Evan, Monday, June 27, 2016 5:05 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this show generates an insane amount of #content

there was really no sense of a public suffering a disaster. descent isn't the only aspect to legitimacy...

yeah i didnt like the episode as much as others because i felt so much of it was rushed. especially because interesting like what you point out things were glossed over.

interesting things, that is

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-cersei-prophecy-not-finished-yet-065111625.html

― Evan, Monday, June 27, 2016 5:05 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this show generates an insane amount of #content

― lag∞n, Monday, June 27, 2016 5:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It answered ryan's question sufficiently without requiring me to do any typing so win-win

i enjoyed that #content

love too make #content

it was not bad content just marveling that theres entire articles abt fairly minor plot points, imagine that with any other show does not exist

wonder what following the show w/o consuming any content wld be like

a whole ecosystem of "who shot jr," this is a golden age

xxp - checking out a photospread of "who will be Dany's husband?"

okay done clicking through the clickbait ... maybe she'll just stay a bachelorette? (was the last option) #content

u folx have your RenFair visits all planned during the hiatus?

It did definitely feel this was one of the only episodes where there was anything memorable or noticeable about the score

The only other bit of non-title-theme music from the whole show I could hum is that doomy refrain that plays when something sinister is being done in the name of the Lord of Light

Everything else about this episode was obviously completely, mind-destroyingly incomprehensible, just colours and shapes, sad really

hey c'mon I have more important things to put my energy into than trolling a bunch of fantasy nerds

― Οὖτις, Monday, June 27, 2016 4:58 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u folx have your RenFair visits all planned during the hiatus?

― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, June 27, 2016 5:28 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u guys need to do better! the shows obvs too big to just appeal to nerds (answering the question in the original thread title) its not even that fantasy, i for one have never read a single fantasy book and dont generally enjoy the genre in any form, the show is basically political, its an extremely trashy fun political show, thats like the whole thing abt it, now go forth and troll with this superior knowledge

^^^^^^^^^^

it's Shakespeare history play + Dynasty + dragons & ice zombies. It's okay if you don't like these things. I don't like the movies of child molester Woody Allen. To each their own.

also accurate, that said, the clawed-hand way folks like that hold onto their takes basically means forget it folks, it's challopstown

the movies of child molester Woody Allen are def bad (except many of the older ones)

they are all bad because he is a child molester and that means they are all about child molestation when u rly think about it.

the show is fantasy through and through. it's very much in keeping with the genre. just admit you like fantasy!