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― Mr. Que, Saturday, 18 April 2009 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link
You guys realise this thread will soon be invaded by outraged Googlers, right?
― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 18 April 2009 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Of course Nick Cave stomps all over Jacko, but anyone who doesn't think so really cannot be my friend.
Michael Jackson is head and shoulders above everything Nick Cave ever dreamed about, let alone Cave's actual recorded output.
― I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
dude cave had a dream one time where the redhead chick from mad men was a mermaid, sayin
― 4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link
also if you pick your friends based on their opinion of nick cave.....lol
i'm not entirely sure my wife even knows who he is offhand
― 4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link
My wife probably thinks Nick Cave is located somewhere in Kentucky, not far from Big Bone Lick.
― Euler, Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link
word? hmmm......
― I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
also, Michael Jackson, but I only know Nick Cave from seeing him at LOLlapalooza in the early 90s, plus a few songs here and there ("The Mercy Seat", "Into My Arms", the "Helpless" cover on the Neil Young tribute album). Maybe one of these years I'll give him a further try. From my point of view this poll is hard to fathom.
― Euler, Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Of course Nick Cave stomps all over Jacko, but anyone who doesn't think so really cannot be my friend. That is all.
I wonder if anyone was tempted to change their vote after this. I was voting for MJ anyway, though.
― Nicodle Otago (Nicole), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I am such a huge Nick Cave stan that you will see me as a talking head in the upcoming documentary about him. His live show never fails to amaze and inspire. His music changed my life. Unfortunately for my one-time idol Mr. Cave, he had no involvement in "I Want You Back," which is one of the 20th century's peak musical moments - shockingly, it's only one of several such moments to which MJ can lay claim. A vote for Michael Jackson is a vote for your own sanity. Hold on to your mind!
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
In keeping with the idea of "What if these two musicians were in their own mid 90s NBC Thursdays sitcom together?" from the previous thread.
Sitcom working title: Your Shenanigans, Our Trials
Plot: After filing for bankruptcy Michael Jackson starts a new life in Australia, where he lives in the guest house of singer Nick Samson (Nick Cave), who is trying to juggle family life with life on the road as a rock singer.
Episode: The Birthday Party
When Nick (Nick Cave) throws a Halloween themed birthday party for his young nephew he assumed that his houseguest Michael (Michael Jackson) wouldn't be around to try to lure some of the children into the Cave family guest house to watch Nick at Night's Brady Bunch marathon. Can Nick pull off the birthday festivities or will be too occupied keeping one eye on Michael the whole night? And what of this news that Nick's wife (Patricia Heaton) wants Nick to cut touring in half so they can take a vacation to Alaska together?
Guest Star: Christopher Knight. 30 Min TVPG
― Cunga, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
"A vote for Michael Jackson is a vote for your own sanity. "
Oh, please, spare us your concern. I don't like the records, that's it.
― Soukesian, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Wait, so who did you end up voting for, J0hn.
― Sundar, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Cunga: I think this is the most redeeming post on this thread ... would they be playing themselves or non-celebrities with elements of their personalities/personas?
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Episode: I Had a Bad Dream Joe (the parents advisory episode)
Nick's wife goes away for a girls' week-long vacation at the beach, leaving Nick home with the kids. Before leaving, Nick's wife makes him promise that he will spend quality time with the kids, instead of holing up in his home studio and writing music. But old habits die hard. After working into the wee hours on a concept album about Old Testament tyrants, he wakes up to find the kids missing. He walks into the backyard to find that Michael has built this towering treehouse and is dangling Nick's youngest over the balcony. Nick clambers up the tree, and instead of pulling the child down, he throws the child off the balcony, where it falls to its death, skull split open. In a fit of panic, to hide his guilt, he throws his other child off the balcony of the treehouse. Then, as he is stuggling with Michael to toss him off, too, he wakes up. Michael is shaking him awake because they have tickets to the amusement park and they are running late.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Episode: Home Truths
Michael Jackson fiddles kids and Nick Cave isn't all that. Guest stars: Prince (pwns) Morrissey (sucks)
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Damn, it just occured to me that I should have voted for Michael Jackson, because Michael Jakson glued up a person a plaster
― mroo (Pashmina), Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link
would they be playing themselves or non-celebrities with elements of their personalities/personas?
Heightened versions of themselves, and I lol'd at the dream sequence you did.
― Cunga, Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Wait, so who did you end up voting for, J0hn
I don't remember :(
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Good god, John. You certainly seem to be sitting on the fence now, despite your first post here.
Of course Michael will win this one, more folks know him. I knew Prince would win the other poll against Morrissey, as well. No big surprises here. As far as Nick goes, though, I agree his stuff is quite boring lately. But The Birthday Party were challenging the status quo and being more weird & arty than MJ could possibly ever be even if he wanted to, and as a child of punk/post-punk in my listening habits, I'm bound to give the goods to the one who "ripped things up and started again" (i.e. attempting something new and different) so to speak. But I'm lying if I say I enjoy BP more than some of Nick's solo stuff. Oh, no way. Sure, you hate Boatman's Call, John, fine (prob my all time fave album of his) but look at Tender Prey for instance. I mean isn't that pretty much the all-time best diverse statement of what he was capable of in his prime? "Let Love In" is another fantastic and diverse album. I'm thankful to Matt for saying "Henry's Dream" cause I need to re-experience that one again.
So yeah, Michael in his prime was mostly a pleaser of the masses (hey I'm totally down with most of Off The Wall and even a track or two off Thriller) but I like artists who plumb the depths, do something different, follow a different muse than the crowd. Nick has been out of ideas for years, I think, but that doesn't discount the value of the unique contribution he made to music.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 19 April 2009 07:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Of course Michael will win this one, more folks know him.
uh, that's crap, to be fair. maybe yeah out of 6 billion worldwide. in terms of ILX i'm pretty sure everyone would have heard of nick cave.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2009 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link
man i guess i'm not getting this prevailing opinion that nick is boring now...i fucking LOVE abbatoir blues/lyre of orpheus and grinderman was pretty awesome too
― 4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Sunday, 19 April 2009 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Agreed, Grinderman was more fun than he's been for ages.
― Soukesian, Sunday, 19 April 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Knee-jerk but heartfelt response: Of course Michael will win this one, more folks are stupid.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link
So yeah, Michael in his prime was mostly a pleaser of the masses (hey I'm totally down with most of Off The Wall and even a track or two off Thriller) but I like artists who plumb the depths, do something different, follow a different muse than the crowd.
Besides being batshit, this is totally RONG. Artists trying to please the masses (whatever that means) are responsible for some of the great work of the last 40 years; and how the hell do you gauge an artist "plumbing the depths" -- do you have some sensor that allows you to know whether they're excavating into Nick Cave levels of artistic integrity?
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
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― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Sunday, 19 April 2009 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
Haha! I love you, man! Thanks for saying what I dared not say, and refuse to lay claim to.
Besides being batshit, this is totally RONG. and how the hell do you gauge an artist "plumbing the depths" -- do you have some sensor that allows you to know whether they're excavating into Nick Cave levels of artistic integrity?
Artists trying to please the masses (whatever that means) are responsible for some of the great work of the last 40 years;
Ha! Dude it may shock you but there are some geniuses in this world (and I'm not even referring to Nick Cave as such) who have been blessed with such unique artistic gifts, that like maybe only 200 people "get it" and buy their CD's right now or accept their theories right now. In 50 years, these folks may be recognized for their contributions, but unfortunately right now, they have to deal with people like you who don't get it. These artists, scientists, scholars, whatever they are, are absolutely on FIRE with their creative gifts, their art, their contribution to humanity. They're reaching out for NEW THINGS, BEYOND what has come before. AGAINST THE PREVAILING STYLE. Get it? SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UNTRIED. NEW. EVOLUTION. CREATIVITY. TRY TO GET ON BOARD. Have you ever met any of these people? Would you know them if you saw them? I doubt you would even recognize them in your midst.
Michael Jackson is a talented individual, no single doubt about it, but he has never, ever, musically challenged the status quo, and he is not as unique as Nick Cave.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 19 April 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd say Michael Jackson is more unique than Nick Cave, but not in a good way.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Sunday, 19 April 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Serious answer: Nick Cave. More varied music. Less concerned with pandering to the lowest common denominator. More things to say and more interesting ways to say them. Give me "The Curse of Millhaven" or "City of Refuge" or "Tupelo" over anything off the slavishly overrated Off the Wall any dayEVERY DAY of the week.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! Dude it may shock you but there are some geniuses in this world (and I'm not even referring to Nick Cave as such) who have been blessed with such unique artistic gifts, that like maybe only 200 people "get it" and buy their CD's right now or accept their theories right now.
Really?
They're reaching out for NEW THINGS, BEYOND what has come before. AGAINST THE PREVAILING STYLE. Get it? SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UNTRIED. NEW. EVOLUTION. CREATIVITY. TRY TO GET ON BOARD. Have you ever met any of these people? Would you know them if you saw them? I doubt you would even recognize them in your midst.
"Billie Jean" sounded like nothing I'd ever heard: lyrically, musically, vocally.
If you really want something different, use less capital letters next time.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
As for Nick Cave, I prefer Gothic corn in literature, not in music, but he's written a couple of good tunes.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I prefer Gothic corn in literature, not in music
^^^^^
this.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Not that I know firsthand if that's accurate about Nick Cave. I can't really be enticed into listening to his stuff.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
this is a stupid poll but nick cave defenders are really scraping the bottom of the barrell with their arguments here. were like ten posts away from 'nick cave is better cuz he uses real instruments man'
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, he does.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Again, this thread was merely meant to lampoon another thread (specifically the Morrissey vs. Prince thread). Much like that comparison, there really aren't any common threads between MJ and...er... NC. It's not meant to be taken so dead seriously. Nick Cave and Michael Jackson are very different artists who make very different music from each other, generally tailored to very different demographics. It's a pointless comparison.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
... but Nick is still better.
... and never molested anyone.
... that we know of, at least.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
lol i spelled barrel wrong
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
That's the least of this thread's problems.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Of the Michael Jackson proponents, how many like the majority of his musical output, and how many like a few songs or albums including the band he was in as a kid and dislike Nick Cave? It seems like there are folks saying MJ is great, and others saying MJ had some good songs, which is more than Nick Cave had.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Max: Would it be scraping further down to say "I vote for Nick Cave because he is better looking"?
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
at this point i think anything goes
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I do wonder what a Michael Jackson-Mick Harvey collab would sound like.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link
It'd certainly sound different.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
"including the band he was in as a kid"
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 April 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
nick cave >>> michael jackson
BUT
jackson 5 >> boys next door
― ian, Sunday, 19 April 2009 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL one thing I do like about this thread is the concept of "Gothic corn" which I don't think I will stop chuckling about for awhile, here.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 20 April 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.moplants.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/indian%20corn.JPG
spot the goth!
― ian, Monday, 20 April 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link