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"free $0.50 records"

Wait which are they?

Alex in SF, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link

we have the New Order along with a couple other of these. we're technically celebrating it, but all it's gonna do is piss me off that these people need an excuse to go look at records.

pipecock, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:06 (fifteen years ago) link

records that would normally be 50c become free for the day. xp

pipecock, try to control your rage.

ian, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to hang around pipecock.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link

i try to be helpful and nice to people in the store :P

pipecock, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Well I'm glad your able to hide your contempt in front of them.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link

we talk shit quietly tho

pipecock, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I imagine your neckbeards muffle a lot of the snider remarks.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:45 (fifteen years ago) link

all 7 of them. the neckbeards that is.

pipecock, Saturday, 18 April 2009 04:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I was planning to go to Sound Exchange in Houston, even though Cactus made it into the paper for the promotion.

I will buy a 45 or a 2dollar bin record and let them know they should be grateful for my contribution.

Or maybe I will spend 80 bucks on some cool shit.

I might do both.

I need one of my turntables fixed, and they do that.

Later on, after the fights are over, I will go on the other board I post and harass my friends to get off their ass.

also, Houston, library sale this weekend.

james k polk, Saturday, 18 April 2009 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link

If you want any of this stuff, go NOW! I got to Waterloo Records two minutes before it opened and the line just started to wind around the building. Dude in front of me bought two of the Springsteen single. A gal walking by was carrying about ten (10!!) copies of THIS LP CRASHES HARD DRIVES. And so on. Still, I managed to get everything I wanted and then some (from three different stores):

Blitzen Trapper "War is Placebo/Booksmart" 7"
Slayer 7" single "Psychopathy Red" packaged in special X-Files-style, "confidential" packaging
Sonic Youth/Beck split 7" split 7" (RSD exclusive)
Sonic Youth/Jay Reatard split 7" split 7" (RSD exclusive)
Various Artists--THIS LP CRASHES HARD DRIVES
Various artists Records Toreism

Plus I got a mystery box of singles for $4.99 (20% cuz of NRSD), the new Marianne Faithfull, and Spellman's Four Lives in the Bebop Business.

The Neil Young and CSNY records are $65 a piece!!

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

(20% cuz of NRSD)

20% OFF...most;y crap and w/o sleeves but purchased in the spirit of the occasion.

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I got the two SY 7"s which I basically assumed would be impossible to find even tho I asked for them in advance - so pretty pleased tbf

National Lampoon's Minimal House (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 18 April 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I decided not to bother with Record Store Day. I buy loads of records, in record stores, so I am not part of the problem.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 18 April 2009 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I went into Rounder and Resident and Borderline in Brighton, but they were mostly oppressively full so I had to extricate myself. Also I had no money to spend. But yeah, good to see some interesting in-store stuff going on and people being reminded to use or lose.

Mister Craig, Saturday, 18 April 2009 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I buy loads of records in thrift stores and garage sales, so maybe I am part of the problem. Usually they are way cheaper and more interesting in those places. But I'm still not partaking in this event today. Maybe that makes me lame. Independent stores deserve to survive, and I hope setting aside a special day for them pulls lots of young kids into the habit -- especially kids pointlessly addicted to getting music the day it comes out, a habit that has never made any sense to me. But braving the crowds seems silly. And I've never been somebody to buy records just because they're rare -- especially when they're created for the sole purpose of their rarity. Seems artificial to me somehow, and none of the records above strike me as all that inticing. (I thought something similar when baseball card companies got self-conscious about their collectibility, and it bugged me then, too. Not that it's especially anything new with record labels -- see also: SubPop Singles Club or whatever.) Anyway, more power to the stores -- whatever pulls in customers. I hope they all make tons of money. A friend of mine who runs a store in Philly said Record Store Day last year was his best day in years, and I hope this year he doesn't even better.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 April 2009 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Just out of curiosity, though, what kind of exorbidant prices are those exclusive sucker-bait 7"s above going for?

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I picked up the New Order and Stooges for $7.99 each, and the Camera Obscura for $6.99. This at Mad Platter in Riverside, CA.

naus, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Shit, they had the New Order? I just called Sonic Boom and Easy Street and neither of them have the New Order.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

They must have had >10 there. I picked up the only Camera Obscura, tho.

naus, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah nobody here in Eugene has the New Order, they heard it was delayed.

I got both Sonic Youth singles for $5 each, the Def Jam 4LP for $15 (!!!), and then I also picked up a Kurt Vile LP on Mexican Summer since it was on sale. 12 bucks!

also got the Dengue Fever/Chicha Libre split single, 5 bucks as well.

if any kind soul wants to pick me up a copy of This LP Crashes Hard Drives I will reimburse you and sing your praises. Neither of my local stores had it.

sleeve, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Just saw the tracklisting for the Def Jam set, I may have to go back for it!

naus, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

I got that big Black Sabbath box set for 35 bucks today at Newbury Comics in Cambridge...

henry s, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

^ which Newbury Comics? the Fresh Pond one's vinyl selection is pitiful. nothing for me to buy.

nerve_pylon, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

had a good time! my "home base" store Roadrunner was grilling out in back and had coolers of beer....couple hot dogs were great!

i didn't really go in for any of the crazy exclusive shit, most of that was already sold out anyway.

i did get the Arthur Russel "Love Is Overtaking Me" vinyl but I wanted that anyway. Didn't see the Def Jam thing or would have gotten that...The Sonic Youth/Reatard single is going to be crazy Ebay bait, so many dudes looking for that.

but I got some great used vinyl, good day:

Leo Koettke - 6 and 12 String Guitar (orig on Takoma)

Rod Stewart - The Rod Stewart Album

The Groundhogs - Who Will Save The World? (gatefold)

Gaunt - I Can See Your Mom From Here (only a buck!)

John Kongos - Kongos

4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link

on sale. 12 bucks!

Wow. I'm speechless.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

(also the stores i went to were PACKED and everyone was having a lot of fun so i guess this day has worked out pretty well for them)

4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

xxxpost Harvard Square

henry s, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

which was also packed, lots of vinyl flying off the shelves...

henry s, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Some kids are losing their vinyl cherries today..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3453389766_caf408f709.jpg

Mister Craig, Saturday, 18 April 2009 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I buy loads of records in thrift stores and garage sales, so maybe I am part of the problem. Usually they are way cheaper and more interesting in those places.

Yeah...kinda my problem too. Looking at the list up there, and, Arthur Russell apart there's not a whole lot i would want - it's all very white and young. Thing is, I'd bet it's guys like me that spend most on records now - middle aged, not all that interested in new stuff necessarily. What killed going to record stores for me was the CD - I just never got that excited about buying them, so when Vinyl started appearing in quantities in charity shops, and then on the 'bay, that's where my purchasing went.

sonofstan, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow. I'm speechless.

it's $31 on eBay right now with 4 hours left, so I'd say that's a good deal. Enjoy your dollar records.

sleeve, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

We had a really really great day at the shop I work at - loads of bands and artists playing all afternoon, loads of interest generated by the day itself and by the exclusive releases, most of which sold well. It was a wonderful party atmosphere and majorly busy all day long. Great fun and inspiring for our continued survival.

krakow, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"Wow. I'm speechless."

Wow you are a dick.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, our 7''s were/are £3.99 for the most part.

krakow, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

did you get the jesus lizard thing in, alex?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Not yet. A bunch of things were delayed shipping so won't be with us until Monday (SY 7''s in particular). Not sure how many we'll get though, will have to wait and see...

krakow, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

if you do get the jesus lizard Inch in can you keep me one and PM me over on DFFD and i'll come in and get it?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll see what I can do, but no promises, I'm afraid. It's looking like, following Rough Trade's example, we could well be holding raffles for the really high demand items, as it's looking like we could only get a ridiculously small number (like 2 or 3 of each) and a hella lotta interest. I can put your name down for raffle entry for sure and will defn. keep you posted on how things pan out.

krakow, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah man that would be fine, thanks!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Kurt Vile LP on Mexican Summer since it was on sale. 12 bucks!

^^ love this record, and it's hard to find now so yeah.

also, we sold out of all the record store day exclusives within 45 minutes of opening. the only thing we have left is the Arthur Russell double LP (and it's great.)

ian, Saturday, 18 April 2009 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

also we had a bbq but all the food is gone--on to the beer drinking portion of the event...

ian, Saturday, 18 April 2009 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

'bout to head over to other music to wait in line for the Bill Callahan performance. Picked up the Records Toreism LP on Thrill Jockey along with the Pavement LP, the SY 7"s and the Akron/Family single earlier, too, and most of it is really good! I think the Records Toreism comp is probably the best of the lot, although the live Pavement album is really badass too.

jonathan - stl, Saturday, 18 April 2009 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

I hear what xhuxk is saying. Collector bait is gross and a good half of the folks seemed to be grabbing at it for investment purposes (such as they are). But how else are the stores going to entice The People? Not with dollar records (now, penny records...). And is $12 really all that shocking?

The crowds were bad only at Waterloo but it's easy to wade through record geeks (and oh yeah, they had two copies of the New Order single).

Fwiw, I bought bands I love (and admire in the case of Slayer but the sleeve is nifty) and music I didn't already own. And I bought those various artist LPs for the accompanying zines as much as the music. Most of it was resistible, though. The Pitchfork review is hilarious cuz nothing is highly recommended.

Please tell me that child's first LP is NOT Vangelis ...

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 18 April 2009 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I just bought the Smiths single but the quality of the print on the sleeve is terrible.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i spent a hundred buxx today on records, but i bought them at an antique store.

i thought i might be able to open my little store by today, but real life intruded. the space we were in - that was pretty cheap - turned out to be too cheap. there are several cheap apartments above it, and one day some dude's toilet overflowed in his bathroom upstairs and it totally came raining down thru the ceiling into our store and on our stuff! ewwwww. luckily, there wasn't a ton of damage, but some records got wet and we promptly starting looking for another space. and we found a great one. right on main street. and it's bigger. and it has a huuuuuge DRY basement for storage. so, we are moving our stuff there at the end of this month. we feel like we dodged a bullet. our landlords at the old space didn't even care that toilet water had come raining down into our store. our new landlord is spending thousands of bucks renovating before we move in. we're excited.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Went to Music Saves in Cleveland, picked up the Pavement LP, the Sonic Youth 7"s, Camera Obscura, Jenny Lewis, and the Beastie's "Paul's Boutique" remaster on 180g vinyl, plus Black Keys and Blitzen Trapper for a friend of mine. Seemed like nobody there was buying the Jesus Lizard, but lots were buying the Stooges.

OK, fine, yes, I Goggled it (Pancakes Hackman), Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

went to 1-2-3-4-GO! records in oakland, got the pavement LP (colored edition! 1/95 total! total luck.), the jesus lizard 7"s, the obits 7", the arthur russell LPs (on now, so good!), the sonik youth splits (both sonic youth songs are ehhh, jay r and beck sides are v v good). gf got camera obscura and a pavement LP, then we hit down at lulu's, i got charles manson's LIE, the kinks' VGPS, surfer rosa, and one of those golden triangle 7"s. then our friend's car broke down. :( then we walked into berkeley and hit half-price books, and i got god bless the kinks, some random 1987 sleeping bag records 12" for 25 cents, and a book abt african music by francis bebey.

great day!

69, Sunday, 19 April 2009 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link

sick haul.

ian, Sunday, 19 April 2009 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link

seems like the Pavement thing was THEEE vaunted item of the day. everything else could pretty much be easily found, at least here in Chi-town. but, whoo, that Pavement LP --- the folks wanted that one!

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 19 April 2009 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to begrudge the stores one bit for whatever helps them survive. If RSD, in its current formulation, does it - great. I won't begrudge anyone that enjoys it either.

But I do find it... interesting (for lack of a better word) that a special holiday created specifically to celebrate one of my favorite hobbies ever has evolved into something where it is the one specific day I actively avoid record shopping. And I know I'm not the only one that feels that way. I feel like it should be called Record Store Exclusive Vinyl Day or something else instead.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 May 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link

tbh I also avoid the stores that day, or if I go its usually shortly before closing to browse the leftovers & survey the damage. But I always figure its not really aimed at people like me who typically go once a week and spend regularly, we dont really need an incentive to go spend money at our local record store, but moreso for Earnest New Vinyl Enthusiasts and people who might otherwise only go at christmas or soemthing.

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 May 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

I've never been on RSD - I have a young daughter and would rather spend the weekend with my family, and wouldn't relish the chaos anyway. But every year there are a couple of releases among the novelty tchotkes that I lust after. I read there was supposed to be a reissue of GBV's Vampire On Titus or Propellor this year, which definitely caught my interest.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 4 May 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

June 12 & July 17 this year - anything exciting coming up?

StanM, Saturday, 12 June 2021 08:21 (two years ago) link

Want the Blackbeard I Wah Dub reissue, and also the Timmy Taylor/Brainiac rarities/demos things, but I won't be going to any record shops today, so...

burnt hombre (stevie), Saturday, 12 June 2021 08:49 (two years ago) link

I got the Linton Kwesi Johnson, Half Japanese, Poly Styrene and the two Burt Jansch records.

a hallan shaker loon (dowd), Saturday, 12 June 2021 09:41 (two years ago) link

I ventured out on RSD for the first time ever to get that L7 'Beauty Process' vinyl pressing. In the end, I probably didn't need to. There are 3000 of them and most stores/resellers aren't really gouging yet, but at least I got some fresh air.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 12 June 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link

got the negative space reissue... really want the hawkwind greasy trucker party live thing coming out in July

brimstead, Saturday, 12 June 2021 22:30 (two years ago) link

I picked up Donny Hathaway Live and the Brainiac Attic Tapes unreleased comp

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 June 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link

The store I went to had almost no crowd and their RSD stuff was not as insanely marked up as I’ve come to expect, don’t know what was going on but I like it. I had a stack of 3 or 4 things, but I kept finding stuff I was more excited about in the used bins and putting RSD stuff back. Ended up getting the Flaming Lips Soft Bulletin thing.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Saturday, 12 June 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link

I just found out that the one record store near me isn’t participating this year; I’m getting a little uptight trying to figure out how I’m going to get a hold of The Sisters of Mercy’s BBC Sessions.

early rejecter, Saturday, 12 June 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link

I've never seen stores marking stuff up over MSRP they are definitely not supposed to

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 June 2021 23:51 (two years ago) link

The stores I used to go to the RSD prices were eye-popping, I always just assumed they marked up as high as they thought could get away with

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Sunday, 13 June 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link

got a few more things

toots - funky Kingston
Tom petty - angel dream
groundhogs - who will save
Donnie Hathaway - live

would’ve liked to grab the Tommy Bolin but it was like 40 bucks. Haven’t even heard it actually.

brimstead, Sunday, 13 June 2021 02:10 (two years ago) link

also kinda intrigued by the tangerine dream live thing

brimstead, Sunday, 13 June 2021 02:12 (two years ago) link

I went to a WFMU sidewalk sale instead of RSD...

I got:

- EEC Punk Rock Mountain: A Sarah Bootleg
- Joan Shelley - Over And Even
- M. Geddes Gengras - Test Leads
- Hüsker Dü - Candy Apple Grey
- Uncle Wiggly - Non-Stuff
- Grenadine - Goya
- Jack Rose - S/T

Evan, Sunday, 13 June 2021 02:24 (two years ago) link

xposts: the Sisters of Mercy BBC Sessions is out on the second RSD date, July 17th (e.g. https://mainstvinyl.com/UPC/190295154455 )

StanM, Sunday, 13 June 2021 02:45 (two years ago) link

Yeah they’re not participating in that one either unfortunately. Wonder what my chances would be at Newbury Comics in the big mall by me.

early rejecter, Sunday, 13 June 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link

Worth a shot, I know Newbury participates.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 June 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link

if a store is pricing things above MSRP on RSD, then they are breaking the rules and are lucky they haven't gotten cut off. but sometimes thins are just overpriced. the Wire 10" thing was $100, which is just too much. There wasn't anything else I was hoping to get, but next drop I do want the Marvin Gaye What's Going ON Detroit Mix; but even that is listing at $70.

akm, Sunday, 13 June 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link

was bummed when william tyler announced that last year's new vanitas would be an rsd only physical release, but easily found one for less than $20 on discogs. it's the the only rsd release i've cared about since wt's last rsd-only release (the reissue of the paper hats lp).

akm i know it's not as "cool," but if you just want to have a copy, the what's going on 2cd deluxe edition from several years back has the detroit mix included.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Sunday, 13 June 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link

Seems like at least 75% of 'RSD EXCLUSIVES' are CD bonus tracks or box set bait pressed to vinyl.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 13 June 2021 23:38 (two years ago) link

Like, I can imagine the killing Universal has made in the '10s pressing the extras from all those deluxe series titles from '00s to wax.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 13 June 2021 23:41 (two years ago) link

so over this shit

sleeve, Monday, 14 June 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link

i know there was a japan-only vinyl issue of the dteroit mix some years back, but i'm not sure if it (or the forthcoming rsd pressing) was just like most contemporary vinyl pressings in that it's the digital mastering just bounced down to vinyl.

(which is always super disappointing)

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Monday, 14 June 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link

sorry i bumbled around and meant to make the detroit mix a link to the discogs entry, but made it a typo instead. rectified, hopefully.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Monday, 14 June 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link

I thought the Dirty Three Ocean Songs with the ATP live set looked interesting, but it was apparently limited to 1,500 worldwide (reportedly only 400 copies in the US) and instantly became impossible to find. Discogs keeps giving me errors this morning, but yesterday I saw it going for over $300. Cool system guys.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 June 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link

yeah that one was particularly frustrating, 1500 is way too low for that, especially given that nick cave plays on it

manufactured scarcity

Im sure that the detroit mix is a digital transfer, but whatever, I'll buy this anyway (and saw it confirmed on reddit that this just a repress of the japan release)

akm, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link

Visited one store at noon Saturday after deciding I didn't care enough to camp out at 8 in the morning, and got the Wipers 2xLP reissue and Perfume Genius remix album. Made a second stop on Wednesday at another store and managed to find the Roast Fish Collie Weed & Cornbread and Having a Party With Jonathan Richman reissues. I'm also curious about the Tangerine Dream live disc and the Warpaint Weatherall mixes; the latter sold out pretty much everywhere I've checked, though, while the former was in such abundance that I let it slide until my next paycheck.

How is the sound/pressing quality on that Blackbeard reissue? Doing a little research on Discogs, it reads like it might be from the 2003 CD remaster...

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:40 (two years ago) link

It may well be, but it sounds pretty sweet to me (and OG copies on Discogs have always been ££££)

burnt hombre (stevie), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 08:18 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

... and that Sisters Of Mercy sessions compilation is coming out on CD too - https://www.normanrecords.com/records/188373-the-sisters-of-mercy-bbc-sessions-19821984

StanM, Saturday, 24 July 2021 11:02 (two years ago) link

I did end up getting those Sisters BBC sessions on RSD (thanks to Clockwork Records in Hastings-on-Hudson, NY). The night before I checked out the Heartland forum to see if there was any chatter about it and was surprised to learn that the Kid Jensen session and one of the Peels had already been released digitally last year. Anyway glad to finally have a legit/good-sounding copy of these.

early rejecter, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link

Errr, I guess all three had been released digitally, but the '82 session only in the UK.

early rejecter, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

good article, thanks

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Friday, 18 February 2022 00:19 (two years ago) link

so much unnecessary shite on the list this year. it's really dregs time when the only thing i'm interested in is a Tangerine Dream reissue of a film i've not seen, and a Wipers reissue i won't buy because at last RSD the Wipers reissue was £35-ish and i have no reason to believe this one won't be too, so fuck that.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 18 February 2022 01:26 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

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