HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

I get that it's meant as an insult, but this is a medieval fantasy story with dragons and ice zombies, famous for it's scope and detail. I don't really feel bad for acting like Comic Book Guy around it. It's a nerdy thing, and nerding about it is actually a pretty fun thing. Nerding about the details on the maps, the long history of the show, the parallels with European history. Most of the time it really enriches the experience. This thing with Littlefinger was just crap, though, and I hope and expect that GRRM goes in a completely different direction.

i think it's p obvious to anyone here who watches the show/read the books that it's poorly written because grrm is not really a v good writer. but it's not poorly written because we don't know the logistics of lf moving around winterfell

Man, even Rob Bricken has a better handle on this than Fred does. That's . . . man oh man. Sad!

http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-didn-t-sansa-tell-jon-snow-about-littlefinger-s-arm-1782494488

that gizmodo dude is otm because guys i already answered this --- sansa didn't tell jon because she wasn't sure they were coming, and they showed up at the last minute because that's what LF wanted

yeah and now Jon and Sansa have an army of ten wildings and Davos and a twelve year old girl and littlefinger has the best army in the north, with minimal casualties.

do we know that the 12 year old girl survived?

All this debate is actually getting me more excited for the finale.

And unlike Stannis, who ALSO saved Jon from getting a good old-fashioned ass-whuppin', LF isn't about to charge off and get himself killed.

Littlefinger does not command the armies of the Vale. Robin Arryn does.

He's the puppet master. What's the difference?

well, the only difference is that robin could do something rash that foils lf's plan

Sure, but as far as things are going at the moment, I'm not sure what point Fred is getting at.

That the Vale army has no loyalty to Littlefinger. He can't just use it whatever way he likes.

Oh, however will he find a way to manipulate the powerful 12-year-old Lord of the Vale into getting what he wants?

As far as criticisms coming from folk who wouldn't pass highschool English goes, I have a degree in English and my criticism is strwightforward: sansa's actions do not match her characters motivation, which is in contradiction to everything about the show (which is about motives, aims, ambitions to some extent). If people want to say she 'just didn't' that's fine, if they want to say she didn't to help the show dramatically, that's fine. Bu if they want to claim that it matches her motivations they need to explain why.

He's the puppet master. What's the difference?

― Evan, Friday, 24 June 2016 02:57 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2otVBGcG1kw

xp -- that post wasn't directed at your posts.

How did they know he would materialize correctly and suddenly take control of the entire song and dance? Too convenient.

xp to dowd.

Manipulate Robin Arryn against his cousin Sansa Stark, who he also has a giant crush on? If that's Littlefingers plan, it's a horrible one.

Also, the books are actually translated to Danish, guys, and there's subtitles to the show. No need to pass an English high school course. It's a pretty ridiculous point to make. It's even more insane with this show, which is based on European history... I studied feudalism in high school, did you?

so wait, the heir to the iron throne, jon stark-targaryen, is going to marry his first cousin, sansa arryn-stark-lannister-bolton, the queen of the north, in time to defend westeros from his other first cousin (aunt?), danaerys targaryen-targaryen, and her dothraki and greyjoy sidekicks . . . and cousin/wife's ex-husband, tyrion? am i getting that right?

Oh, sorry, sarahell. Maybe overly defensive (about what? a minor plot point in a tv show!? Beats arguingabout the referendum, I guess).

I thought LF's plan was to either marry Sansa or hand her head over to Cersei? Both plans would get him the north.

sansa's actions do not match her characters motivation, which is in contradiction to everything about the show

I agree they haven't done an entirely convincing job with this but they have been setting up Sansa's distrust of Jon in nearly every scene they share this season. She has clearly been transformed by her experiences and rightly sees Jon as a Ned Stark Jr. who will stick to the old ways and get himself and everyone else killed. Her motivation was to be the one who defeated Ramsey and killed him. Jon was her tool for that job, but she needed a back-up.

But even if she distrusts him, for this battle their interests are identical, I think. It's not to her benefit for Jon to lose here.

her interest is in Jon not fucking things up by rejecting LF's help for reasons of honor.

Anyway, giving up here. I'm still really enjoying the show and I hope it continues. Could do with more odd couple adventuring.

Frederik B - do you read the books in Danish and use the subtitles?

Can dowd and frederik read the gizmodo piece one more time plz before repeating their bad opinions thnx

Lol, the gizmodo piece is crap.

RAG, I mostly use subtitles, have read most of the book series in English. But are you fucking kidding me? Are you suggesting I can't discuss a show in English because I'm a foreigner?

have you guys figured out if this show is any good or not yet

we figured out it was for nerds

I think the verdict is the show was good until Littlefinger's army came from the wrong direction. That was its shark jump.

who knew Sean Bean could play a shark so convincingly

There's just no plausible explanation worth listening to! However, there are many plausible explanations.

mine are always the best but I get there too soon and then my excellent ideas get buried in the now showing X of N messages bar

lf would never do such a thing.

RAG, I mostly use subtitles, have read most of the book series in English. But are you fucking kidding me? Are you suggesting I can't discuss a show in English because I'm a foreigner?

― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:24

I'd never do that. I'm not making plot arguments (I haven't discussed Sansa's choice), I wasn't questioning your ability to comprehend, I was just curious since you do a lot of reading and watching of things I'd presume are only available in English. I was just surprised that you might read it in Danish.

Just imo, you can't discuss the show bc you're a foreigner

I heard the books are best read in their original English, then translated to Danish, then back to English. That's what they're basing the teleplays on.

Nitpick champion right here: http://imgur.com/a/1iOMi

holy shit

was late medieval times a Shame or Guilt culture? we're not sure but the Byzantines knew how to armor up horses better than this

"These guys didnt have shields, thats a major mistake" gee thanks guy.

I'm gonna go ahead and list my finale predictions here

1. cersei sets off the wildfire under kings landing after her trial, just in time for jaime to see it returning home from rivverrun (ie he killed his king to avoid this, only to have his sister do it 20 years later)

2. varys shows up in dorne

3. littlefinger is creepy but then sansa threatens to kill littlefinger since technically dumb jon arryn is ruler of the vale and she can have his allegiance with or without baelish

4. the brotherhood without banners, plus hound, run into brienne and podrick and they all agree to head north together and not kill each other

5. tommen dies and margaery escapes kings landing, somehow

6. sam and gilly get to the citadel

7. daenarys & co. get on some ships finally

8. davos says some cold shit to melisandre

cosign

Totally not sure of my confidence level in the Tower of Joy greenseer revelation with Bran though. That seems like something they'll save for next season, to me. So I guess:

9. Bran does not greensee Jon's provenance at the Tower of Joy

Yeah I have a sneaking feeling bran may not appear in this last ep at all.

wasn't he in the preview?

oh shit this is 90min long