HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

I won't get to see the final episode until many days later, and it makes me so sad that I'll miss all this delightful nitpicking and nitpicking of the nitpicking. Sad!

The rest of that paragraph is a bunch of speculation that assumes you've drawn reasonable conclusions in those sentences which you haven't

If Sansa didn't write them, then who do you think that letter she wrote was for?

Sansa wrote to LF, the question is whether she received a reply before the battle

It's possible she had absolutely no faith in the Vale showing up at all. The thing is, they were so desperate you'd think she'd be driven to share that she asked LF for help, just to delay almost certain defeat (and therefore her suicide) by another day with their collective fingers and toes crossed that the Vale shows up. After waiting as long as they're able to, THEN they give the battle a shot anyway. Obviously they wouldn't be "allowed" to delay things but they could milk it, or Jon could have used the possible Vale intervention as leverage to threaten Ramsay and make his followers question their loyalty, which is something he is shown doing already but hinging on the "you fight for him would he fight for you" stuff. Conclusion for me is:

Narrative reason: dumb Sansa

Show reason: exciting surprise for audience just as they begin to think their heroes are surely done for

So... How did he find her if there wasn't further communication?

I would imagine he had some scouts ffs

Suspension of disbelief? Sansa shares info on where they will camp just outside of the designated battlefield? That camp happens to be en route to Winterfell?

he read the script, duh

There are several totally plausible and boring ways LF could have figured out where the battle was going to occur. It doesn't really matter how it happened.

How would Sansa know where they would camp? And why would the camp be on the route between the Vale and Winterfell? Sansa and Jon were coming from the other side.

Weren't they just outside of winterfell? Doesn't seem hard to "figure out." Ramsey rode on a horse with an entire army chasing him into the gate at winterfell from the battlefield...if the letter says "we need help at winterfell" there is exactly zero mystery how littlefinger found them u weirdos

No, Sansa's/Jon's camp. Sansa wasn't going to go to the battle with everyone. The camp could have been east of Winterfell. This is a pretty tiny nitpick.

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Why must LF either stumble on the camp or be told by Sansa where it is? It's going to be close to Winterfell, where the battle of Winterfell is taking place. You can find a camp by sending a few guys up tall things and looking around.

"Dear Peter my brother's army of Wildlings and 62 House Mormont dudebros are riding to take Winterfell from the Boltons, we leave two days hence and will make camp at X." jfc

Maybe they went around Winterfell and came back towards where the army would logically camp (same place as Stannis did, so possibly a very obvious location)? Maybe they built a tunnel under winterfell? Who cares really, they just did it.

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no man this ruins everything

Littlefinger is coming from the exact opposite direction.

dude do you think he had to bring his entire army to the camp with him and attack from that direction?

they needed to rest after the journey, the camp is a decent spot

Like, a pretty big point of having a giant castle is that you control the area surrounding it. The idea that Ramsay would just sit and wait while the opposing army walked around to the very best spot to camp is stupid.

And we can go on and on and on and on and on.

And on.

And on.

The nitpicking around this show with the internet at large seems to labor on the fact that they don't show every single detail play out on screen. It's like that "where did the dogs go?" bullshit from earlier in the season. It takes no mental energy to fill in certain details that aren't explicitly shown. Sansa's motivations are more interesting than whether LF has scouts or binoculars at his disposal...

Showing Sansa besides Littlefinger was so extremely dumb. What did it even achieve?

And on.

It reiterates that they had an agreement.

It also makes her showing up when Jon was punching Ramsay a little more logical than via a puff of smoke.

Yeah, but the problem is exactly that they never clarified what kind of agreement they had. So it just brings to mind a poorly handled plotpoint.

If they hadn't done that frederik would be complaining about the logistics of Sansa's movements this very moment

If the vale turning up was unexpected, why not mention it to Jon? They were scraping th barrel for hope, and she had some.

How exactly would you stop an opposing army from doing whatever it wanted without actually battling it. Send out a constable?

Or they assumed grown ups could figure it out on their own? Xp

They were scraping th barrel for hope, and she had some.

― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:21 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So "hope" would have helped him win?

Did you miss all those times I mentioned Jon's knowledge of the Vale could have played a part in their battle strategy and negotiations with Ramsay?

Wonder how different the nitpicking will be to future generations when the show and possibly the book is all complete.

How exactly would you stop an opposing army from doing whatever it wanted without actually battling it. Send out a constable?

Put out an orange sign that says NO OVERNIGHT ARMIES HERE

frederik considering that these are all plot points that are evidently left open and that the preview suggests the next episode will address in some way yr obsessive demand for answers right now is v confusing to me

I'm baffled by how Frederik apparently knows the geography of Winterfell like the back of his hand.

Lol. I know the answer. It's because it's crap writing. But somehow that explanation upsets other ilxors.

The intro to the show is a map of Westeros, longneck...

Do they show the exact position of the battle and how an army would necessarily approach it though? Is there a google maps of westeros somewhere on the internet?

Hope wouldn't have hurt him, and that's my problem. And yes, morale can win battles. Again, I'm arguing something I don't care about only because people insist it's not an issue, and I want to know why. Why not tell Jon about the offer of an army from littlefinger? And I don't think there's a coherent explanation within the text. I'm happy with an outside explanation (which I think is right) that they did it for the vandal style swoop at the end.

Vandal = gandalf, but doesn't it always?

Is there a google maps of westeros somewhere on the internet?

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), 23. juni 2016 19:46 (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, kinda. A bunch of them, actually.

is it on their net site, Serial style? And have they added enough peasants? If so, maybe one of the google map peasants told LF where the battle was? Or maybe he just followed the noise and the crows?

Sansa called LF from the payphone at the Best Buy parking lot

The problem is not finding the battle. The problem is finding Sansa. Who should, logically, be on the other side of the battle from where Littlefinger would be coming.

It's pretty fun that you're baffled by knowledge of geography in a famously detailed fantasy series running thousands of pages long, though.

the thread getting clogged up with ppl who have apparently paid no attention and like deej calling other ppl dumb because he doesn't have a clue himself...i am the real victim here.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:37 AM (4 hours ago)

they went around winterfell...

Spiralli otm.

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