HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

they're called wildlings

This was the stupidest episode they've ever done. Plothole on top of plothole, until the whole thing was an incomprehensible anticlimax. And oh, I see people have defended almost every awful stupid thing the characters did upthread. Lol. At this point I'm hoping GRRM goes in a bunch of different directions, because this show is headed towards the most boring, obvious resolution possible. Without being able to properly build to it, it seems.

But! But! The bad guy got his!

While it is true that lots of stupid things happened in this episode, if they address it in the future episodes, I'm ok with it. Both Jon and Sansa have proven to not be smart enough to look at the bigger picture and have caused the death of hundreds or thousands of people, but this is hardly unheard of in human history. I assume there are going to be consequences.

By this point I don't care about the plot holes. It's all about the spectacle now. Bring on the dragons vs white walkers battle and the big happy wedding.

Arya and Jon?

Not a very satisfying victory for team Jon/Sansa imo, only upper hand they had was moral, Ramsey deserved to win this since he did cool deceptive stuff, came up w a crazy plan, stuck to it and it would have worked if not for those damn ex machina knights. I mean I think it's great that Jon and Sansa are fallible but all their choices this ep were so poor it was neither dramatic nor fun.

I'm mystified by this interpretation of this episode but I guess we've gone back n forth enough about it at this point

yeah a bit late to the nitpicking party, maybe that post wasn't entirely necessary

it's not like this show suddenly became a bit stupid - it's been stupid for like at least two seasons now.

either you ride the dragon of stupidity or self-immolate in the flames of pedantry.

Can't i do both? I watch lots of stuff nobody else is watching - the fun of 'event' TV (or as it was called in my 3-4 channeled isle - TV) is the discussion and the debate. I enjoy the show by railing against it, by scone guessing it, by nitpicking it. I enjoy the show very much, though, and that is part of it. I can talk to people and they'll say 'can you believe he...?' Or 'does that mean she wants...'. Pedantic pleasures are all I have at the moment.

I surrender to it's nitpicking glory, in the long tradition of soap operas and, especially, whodunnits.

Nitpicking is great to a point because it means you're concerned about the story and the character motivations and consistency.

However, it's those stupid theories that the internet at large comes up with that really bother me.

If this show actually ends up just being dragons vs. White Walkers and good guys win the GoT and aren't we all happy that there is a nice guy on the throne now - that would be profoundly disappointing. Pretty sure GRRM is going for something better than that.

If Martin wanted to make a morally realistic fantasy he could just have the white walkers win. But that isn't drama - why would I watch that?

the game of thrones is about what the wrong way to watch game of thrones is

a good end game would be to have whatever new "peace" that is established be built upon the same poor foundations and conspiracies that led to the collapse of the last order (Robert's).

i'm gonna stand by my gendry prediction for the very end of the show

However, it's those stupid theories that the internet at large comes up with that really bother me.

― Evan, Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:45 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Resolved: Nothing good has ever been preceded by the words "This fan theory."

i'm gonna stand by my gendry prediction for the very end of the show

― nomar, Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:04 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://i.imgur.com/SfqZAsm.jpg

#ideas4GoT: suspicious cloaked and mauled figure called "Dogbit" starts lurking around winterfell for all of the next season, is in the background of every shot with Sansa, disappears suddenly and is never heard from again

back when i was into the books i seem to recall reading a quote from grrm that the ending was going to be bittersweet and not a typical happy fantasy ending. this was like 14 years ago so i could be misremembering

arya finds the statue of liberty half-buried in snow

https://theringer.com/ask-the-maester-battle-of-the-bastards-game-of-thrones-890f9b23894a#.21gmppj9s

Hey, at least he doesn't dismiss it as being obvious what sansa's motivations are.

Totally called it on Ramsay's death

― Matt DC

think you'll find it was conrad that called it ;)

calm down guys everyone called it

For a show that has always revelled in its shock twists and subverting expectations and so on, this episode really went down some conventional, cliched routes: the cavalry charging in at the nick of time to save the day - twice! The conversation between Dany, Tyrion and the old Meereen officials ("we've come to discuss terms of surrender", "Very sensible, we have defeated you-", "No, YOUR surrender!") And the good guys even won at the end of both story threads.
I wasn't happy that Ramsey was killed via methods he himself would have used. It didn't make the Starks look any more noble than Westeros' psychopath-led houses. A Sean Bean-style public execution, or, better, Sansa sliding a knife in would have been more satisfying, imo.

ask the maester is so otm about stupid rickon. like how fucking easy must it be to dodge a tiny arrow while running?

What could be more satisfying than a dog ripping off a guy's face?

one thing i do like is that the hoary old theme of becoming what it is you're fighting seems to be coming into prominence. jon and tyrion are interesting precisely because they are the ones who most explicitly resist this dynamic.

Would be ideal if grrm' first question to the show runners was "who is Jon snows parents" and the second was "how does this bullshit end?"

"No, seriously, how should I end it? Because I have no idea. Hmm, maybe they've been dead the whole time? No? Dammit. It's all a dream? It just goes black? Jon and Dany are alone in the snow, the last survivors, and one of them is a secret snow demon, but neither one knows if the other is the snow demon, so they just decide wait it out until the fire goes dark and they both freeze to death? Hmm, I better get writing, don't want to let you overtake the books, ha ha!"

It's all inside a snow globe? No that was done wasn't it?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5c/af/fb/5caffb1deddb4e04b26b9a9d99ca59ac.jpg

i'm gonna stand by my gendry prediction for the very end of the show

― nomar, Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:04 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

waht is it

i could see gendry as a character who we only see at the end of the saga as the dust has settled and someone else has taken the throne, with him as the sole living baratheon heir who's been convinced by a small band of believers that the throne is rightfully his and is starting to make his danys-like maneuvers to assemble an army to take the throne back. some circle of westeros life kinda shit.

― nomar, Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:59 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in lieu of a better "fan theory" i can conjure up

hmmm yeah i like that...might have to relocate him sometime before the last couple eps, though

maybe to a bigger boat

does gendry even know that robert was his dad?

Gendry: "I'm just a bastard."
Melisandre: "The bastard of Robert of the House Baratheon, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men. Why do you think the Gold Cloaks wanted you? There is power in a king's blood."

he probably forgot about that conversation during the long boat ride though

wouldn't mind if they forego any resolution next season (or the next?) to dissolve instead into a twenty episode flashback of egg and duncan's journeys post-Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

I think Sean Bean will wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette.

way late to this but the whole reason Ramsay had his cavalry charge timed the way he did, and his archers firing into the melee, was to stack the bodies up in a particular part of the battlefield so that his pikemen could then use it as a dam while Smalljon Umber and his infantry stopped anybody from escaping over it. He used arrows and horse corpses to build an instant earthworks right where he needed it.

How he talked everybody into this, who the fuck knows. I suppose those flayed and burning corpses on the crosses out front were the first four or five lieutenants who thought it was a bad idea.

Sansa has lied about calling Littlefinger et al. to their aid because it is in her political interest to maintain a monopoly on that relationship and control it without interference from any of the other morons in the room. She doesn't have any reason to personally trust any of the people working for Jon and Jon himself is a mopey himbo with poor impulse control and a demonstrated incapacity for thinking two moves ahead. She doesn't know exactly when the Vale's army is going to show up, but she does know she can't talk Jon Snow out of being a doofus, she can only try to save him.

I love how people get SO ANNOYED with how this show just TELEGRAPHS EVERYTHING and then if it does some shit offscreen or fails to spell it out in the Previously On bits then people get SO ANNOYED with how this show is so THINLY PLOTTED and INEXPLICABLE

Also I mean Sansa already made up her mind that saving Rickon was a fantasy, she probably had Jon's survival chalked up as a Nice To Have, just as long as Ramsay gets murked nothing else matters to her that day

I'd like it if Cersei said heck with it and just blew up Kings Landing basically making the whole throne a mute point as the capital city is a smoldering ruin. Probably won't happen, but it could be an interesting reset to the plot status quo.

Oh I would not be surprised if she decides to go with that plan, just as Jaime is returning home in time to see it all go up. When it writes itself, it tends to happen

I'd like it if Cersei said heck with it and just blew up Kings Landing

I think this is going to happen next episode. Maybe not all of Kings Landing will be burned, but she is definitely going to go for 9/11 style targets