You dumdums haven't polled the delight cast recording of Hamilton yet; let me help

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i'm not really interested in getting into it, i'll leave the thread and you can all enjoy it and i'll continue to watch clips of it on youtube and wonder what the fuck is wrong with everyone

good idea, it was designed to be seen via mobile phone bootleg on youtube, so you're definitely getting a legit understanding of why it is bad and terrible

also when you hate something it's smart and healthy to keep watching it over and over. you can prove how right you are, to yourself!

I really really like Hamilton but don't like the lyrics Frederick B posted, so who do I fight?

lin

it's the sonnet he wrote as his Tony acceptance

earnest note to morbs who prob doesnt care: complaining about historical accuracy wrt hamilton is missing the point.

it's like saying that les miz isnt an accurate portrayal of the french revolution to the ppl bawling at "I dreamed a dream"

it's the sonnet he wrote as his Tony acceptance

Oh that's why it didn't sound familiar!

Don't care for it but I mean obviously my standards for award acceptance speech are a lot lower than my standards for actual writing so I withdraw my objection. Lin lives to fight another day.

I'd go if this actually happens.

it me

http://youtu.be/4mrN_Bx9H2Q

It's not the best sonnet ever, it's really not even a sonnet, but he wrote it in a day, where he also had a lot of other things to do. So, like, points to him. I think the punctuation is off in what I quoted, btw. Or, I can't really get all the lines to make sense at once.

ilx takes a break from GoT teleplay workshopping to try out some Award Show poetry workshopping

it's really not even a sonnet

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Here's the link I took the transcription from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/playwrights/the-english-poet-who-inspired-lin-manuel-mirandas-tonys-sonnet/ Even though it's kinda not strictly speaking their 'content', I should probably still have offered up the link. The writer argues, that it's a 'literary masterstroke', because the wrong way Miranda writes the sonnet is like some other poet, who wrote about love differently. So it's 'subversive' or something. Honestly, I think he just wrote 16 lines because it's easier, and he did it in one day.

It didn't help the form that LMM just started repeating "and love" in the middle of the poem

But you know maybe he'll polish it up and read the revision when the adaptation wins an Oscar

No no, you don't see, he repeated love because it's so important that it breaks the meter of the sonnet!

more likely he did it because it made the audience whoop

(I suspect that he got lost and repeated it a few times to many, though. We'll see. There's talk of using it on prints to raise money for charity, somehow, then we can see how it's supposed to read)

And love cannot be killed or swept aside.
I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.
Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.

scans a bit better than:

And love is love is love is love is love is love is love is love;
Cannot be killed or swept aside.
I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.
Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.

Yeah, but:

This show is proof that history remembers.
We live through times when hate and fear seem stronger.
We rise and fall, and light from dying embers
Remembrances that hope and love last longer.
And love cannot be killed or swept aside.
I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.
Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.

Seems quite lacking.

I suspect it's meant to be:

And love is love is love is love is love is
Love cannot be killed or swept aside.
I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.
Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.

We'll see. Or better: Poll!

sometimes you guys really are the fucking worst

pull off the wings and peel away the layers and "well it's not really very good at all is it"

i mean fuckin god forbid it moves someone in its imperfect form

It moved me! And not 'in spite of' but kinda because of it's imperfections. I love how spontaneous, how honest, how in the moment Lin-Manuel Miranda always is. He is one of my very big idols at the moment.

sorry, that was a pre-coffee rant lol

I taught kids how to write sonnets last year and some went the lazy route of literally writing like
dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog
friend friend friend friend friend friend friend friend friend friend
frog frog frog frog frog frog frog frog frog frog
end end end end end end end end end end end

so the "love is love is love is love" part made me giggle to myself a little for seeming at first to channel a lazy seventh grader
but in the end I think it worked and it's in the SMALL POWERFUL WORDS and STRENGTH THROUGH REPETITION categories

also why am I not married to that romantical fucker

i'd see this if it were possible for reg'lar humans to get/afford tix

I have to live with it through cast recording like all us yokels in flyover country do w/Broadway

me too

soundtrack is closest thing to seeing it most of us can get

Veg, as i told j0rdan a couple weeks ago, only movies have soundtracks (protip)

i'm not a pro but you know

A copy of Burr is going for $2.76 in good condition on Amazon.

save yourselves the $500

i bought it for $6

ok fine ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST RECORDING jeez

i mean fuckin god forbid it moves someone in its imperfect form

I am cool with you being moved by it and I have no issue with whether it exactly meets the sonnet form or not. My issue is that the words of this poem just kind of lie there, flat, dead, and preprocessed. It could have been written by anyone about anyone. It totally lacks the specificity that he nails in the play itself, where the characters feel like individual people who have real, particular feelings. No doubt Miranda loves the hell out of his wife but you wouldn't know it from this poem, is all I'm saying.

I don't know why I'm making a point of this, it's not really important, obviously it doesn't affect what I think of LMM as a writer, this is just something he tossed off.

http://www.playbill.com/article/watch-highlights-from-encores-modern-day-1776

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVuPC2gpA9w

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i want to let it go i really do
i get we all dont like the same things
but at least watch him deliver it
https://youtu.be/pi44405wMoI

i think Hamilton lacking (for many, apparently) "authentic" rap is as irrelevant as the music for 1776 being diluted Gilbert & Sullivan / Broadway balladeering. It's popular theatre, ya know? One doesn't watch the movie (or subsequent pointless Broadway adaptation of) Victor/Victoria and expect Henry Mancini's songs to sound like actual Parisian cabaret tunes of the early '30s.

agreed

i think Hamilton lacking (for many, apparently) "authentic" rap is as irrelevant as the music for 1776 being diluted Gilbert & Sullivan / Broadway balladeering. It's popular theatre, ya know?

Agreed -- the first time I heard it I was like "wait, I thought this was gonna be hip-hop but it sounds like a Broadway musical" and then about 30 minutes later I was like "well yeah because it IS a Broadway musical and what's more it's the best Broadway musical I've heard in a really long time." But yeah. That is what it is and it's really awesome at being that.

yeah, it's def way more traditional in its style & structure than ppl would lead you to believe

the dumbest stuff I've heard about Hamilton is from white rap bros about how this isn't "real hip hop" so therefore it's corny. Fuck yeah it's corny. Plus, how are Daveed Diggs parts not "authentic"? I was listening to clippng a few years before I knew what Hamilton was.

my husband was kind of interested when i first brought it home & played it, but after a few songs he was like "ehhh, it still sounds super-broadway to me, i dont think i can hang"

months later i think he's still hoping for me to lose interest lol

Mr Veg loves you in the extreme :)

lol there's no better proof

i think Hamilton lacking (for many, apparently) "authentic" rap is as irrelevant as the music for 1776 being diluted Gilbert & Sullivan / Broadway balladeering.

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Ha I've played the album in the car so much that my 18 month old walks around singing "nah na na na nah nah Shot!"

i made my friend from Australia listen to it for a week whenever we were in the car, she said she got off the plane back home humming "Wanna be in the room where it happens" :D

I know this is a big deal and everyone loves it and I'll see it here next year and I'm sure it's good, but I heard someone playing this and could have sworn ... it sounded like a Simpsons parody of musicals?

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:59 PM (3 months ago)

still can't imagine why this would be a bad thing!