Repeal the Second Amendment

shut the fuck up

eat my ass

But don't let me stop you from trying to accomplish something that will never happen in the alternative to something that could

Stay classy, gun owners of Facebook...

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that is genuinely fucking sickening

no more sickening than "gun rights" themselves, but yeah.

might be time to institute a reading comprehension test in order to vote. our "conservative" friends can never seem to understand that "well-regulated militia" part of the second amendment, even though it starts the whole thing, no matter what anyone tells them

that's a really dumb idea, and it wouldn't work the way you want it to anyway

you might also google this thing called "jim crow"

This may have been posted previously but I just saw it today and it seems like a pertinent thing: http://www.thenation.com/article/how-the-roberts-court-undermined-sensible-gun-control/

Or, you know, you could just do what Bernie Sanders doesn't want to do and put the industry out of business

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-gun-control_us_56dcea34e4b0000de405063a

― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Sunday, June 12, 2016 1:01 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you realize that merely getting rid of an immunity provision would not mean that anyone would actually succeed in these lawsuits, right? I'm sure you actually do understand that if you graduated from an accredited law school.

it was the one that advertised in the back of TV Guide

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RT h/t to lagoon

best-case scenario out of recent tragedy imo is some hugely wealthy LGBT political activists start bankrolling legal challenges to shitty gun laws, challenge the NRA etc.

lookin at you Peter Thiel

(lol not really)

they should be bankrolling legal scholars and judges who can revise the reigning interpretation of the 2nd amendment, that is ultimately the strongest hope for long-term change on this.

yup

Electing a Democrat in November who will nominate judges and justices will help.

that too. the prospect of having a SC that strikes down prevailing interpretation becomes more likely.

amateurist and Alfred otm

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Kim Kardashian calls for stricter gun control after Orlando shooting

aw that's cute

This, from the article posted in another thread, seems key:

From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun. The first to argue otherwise, written by a William and Mary law student named Stuart R. Hays, appeared in 1960. He began by citing an article in the NRA’s American Rifleman magazine and argued that the amendment enforced a “right of revolution,” of which the Southern states availed themselves during what the author called “The War Between the States.”

The NRA, and the changing of the meaning of the 2nd amendment, culminating in Heller, is from it's inception tied to confederate revisionism, and, basically, ultra right-wing racism.

it's not just the NRA--they're just the most visible group. there are a bunch of other groups exerting pressure on both right-wing legislators /and/ the NRA itself.

The five justices in the Heller majority were all nominated by presidents who themselves were NRA members.

Such a weird coincidence.

Amateurist, that's kinda what I mean. I think that the fight against guns needs to focus on how much the pro-gun movement is intertwined with ultra-right wing racism. Focusing on the NRA turns it into a question for and against guns. The National Rifle Association likes rifles, we don't, but that's an honest disagreement. I think a good strategy would focus on how much the reason the NRA likes rifles is due to racism. Which seems pretty clear from the way the movement began, I think.

It's just a suggestion :)

how much the pro-gun movement is intertwined with ultra-right wing racism

I have never been to a more multi-generational, multi-cultural event than an NRA-sponsored gun show fwiw. Every demo (men, women, rich, poor, black white brown purple lol) well represented.

Folks from every walk of life coming together in their shared vision of a world where every man, woman, and child has the opportunity to accidentally shoot a stranger in the face.

Or possibly even a loved one! Dare to dream!

it's true! It was deeply disorienting.

and everyone so excited to be there

I think a good strategy would focus on how much the reason the NRA likes rifles is due to racism. Which seems pretty clear from the way the movement began, I think.

It's just a suggestion :)

― Frederik B, Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:24 AM (14 minutes ago)

makes about as much sense as the attempts to paint planned parenthood as fundamentally racist. intellectually dubious but politically expedient.

Frederik hasn't found an American political issue yet which can't be solved by acknowledging America's inherent racism

some good news

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sen-chris-murphy-starts-talking-filibuster-over-gun-control-224369

Was just about to post that!

I emailed my Senators to support the filibuster - this has long been one of DiFi's pet issues so maybe she'll do it, much as I dislike her.

The terror watch list aspect of that is a really bad idea unless they completely overhaul the watch list.

I'm cool with restricting everybody's access to guns, so doesn't bother me a bit

are you seriously worried that someone badly needing a gun that is erroneously on a watch list is a significant problem because I am not

@jeremyscahill
When HRC and Obama try to link gun sales and the terror watchlist, that is politics--plain and simple. It is just a talking point w no teeth

Restrict anything deemed a "right" based on an arbitrary lost with no due process whatsoever and you open the door to same for other rights.

Also agree with scahill. Pure grandstanding.

the no-fly list ban works as a metaphor. the republicans are so psychotically committed to gun ownership for all that it even takes precedence over their scaremongering about terrorism. in terms of useful policy it seems like reviving the assault weapon ban is a more likely progression at this pt.

that's how it's felt after every major shooting in the past several years. and yet...

I understand the rhetorical value but I dislike that kind of rhetorical bluffing. Maybe I'd be bad at politics for that reason.

It's also a potential example of democrats inadvertently ceding the center. I mean that happened a long time ago with "terrorism" rhetoric, but still not a good thing.

What's the Luntz quote about how when you use my terms I win?

Restrict anything deemed a "right" based on an arbitrary lost with no due process whatsoever and you open the door to same for other rights.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:28 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ my fear too. Like I said yesterday, SCOTUS has said owning a handgun is a protected right. It would need an act of Congress amending it or SCOTUS to say otherwise. Elect Democrats to Congress and the White House if you want to make headway.

Not to mention you are kind of validating the "terror watch list" as a meaningful thing rather than just a crude investigatory tool.