OPO: Rush "The Trees" vs. The Cure "A Forest"

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The thing about Peart with Rand, though, is that afaict, he only ever approached her as a sort one-against-many/rage against the machine/I will not conform sic-fi inspiration (that of course being the theme of countless sci-fi/dystopian stories rarely linked to Rand). It's the assholes who lately invoke Rand in pursuit of political asshole libertarian policy that ultimately give her a bad name (aside from all her other innate BS), but again, as far as I can tell, Peart's politics have never been conservative/restrictive/reactionary or anything. He's just a rugged individualist who rides a motorcycle. I've brought it up before, but at least a couple of songs on "Power Windows" are inspired by John Dos Passos, for example, ideologically not in line with Rand (though at one point an unlikely cohort of hers, I think). I think he's always called himself a social libertarian, or something like that, meaning no restrictions on personal freedoms/rights but maintaining the social safety net of modern (Canadian) neo-socialist society.

And xpost tbh, as this is not one of my favorite Rush songs and never has been, I don't think I've ever paid attention to the lyrics one bit. I've always been put off by its Ren Faire melody. It's dumb, and makes me think of "Brave Sir Robin" from the "Holy Grail."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 June 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link

when i was in fifth grade (early 80s) i went to this academic games thing in georgia for a week. we took a chartered greyhound bus to get there (overnight) and wedged between the seats i found a c-60 with < R U S H > printed all \m/ on it. and the first song on it was 'the trees'

mookieproof, Saturday, 4 June 2016 00:06 (seven years ago) link

And yes, Josh, Robert Smith is embarrassed by some of the things The Cure has done. Particularly early songs like 'Object', 'It's Not You' and 'World War' ... he didn't particularly like 'Let's Go To Bed' while he was writing it, either, but that one grew on him.

Turrican, Saturday, 4 June 2016 00:17 (seven years ago) link

The middle section/instrumental break in 'The Trees' is one of my favourite Rush moments, fwiw.

Turrican, Saturday, 4 June 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link

" I wonder if Robert Smith is embarrassed by anything the Cure has done? "

well they call "Killing an Arab" "killing another" now, which is fucking stupid

akm, Saturday, 4 June 2016 02:00 (seven years ago) link

At least he didn't call it "Killing An Arab In A Totally Non-Racist Way"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 4 June 2016 10:49 (seven years ago) link

The song was revived in 2005, when the band performed the song at several European festivals. The lyrics, however, were changed from "Killing an Arab" to "Kissing an Arab". Smith added a whole new opening verse when the band performed it at the Royal Albert Hall, London on 1 April 2006 as "Killing Another". The "killing another" lyric was also used during the 2007-2008 4Tour. The band performed the song as "Killing an Ahab" with lyrics inspired by Herman Melville on 2011's "Reflections" tour.[citation needed]

soref, Saturday, 4 June 2016 11:47 (seven years ago) link

"Kissing an Ahab" would be the best option imo

apparently the US version of the "Standing on a Beach" compilation came packaged with a sticker requesting radio stations not to play the song:

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/01/21/arts/rock-group-accedes-to-arab-protest.html

soref, Saturday, 4 June 2016 11:53 (seven years ago) link

It would have been awesome if he changed all the words to "Killing an Arab" to the whale's perspective for "Killing an Ahab."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 June 2016 12:00 (seven years ago) link

Hasn't Trump used it yet?

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 June 2016 12:01 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsW9BTukpw

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 June 2016 12:06 (seven years ago) link

Unfairest matchup. Also this is my favorite Cure song ever, soooooooooooooooooo.

Matt M., Thursday, 9 June 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link

Unfairest matchup. Also this is my favorite Cure song ever, soooooooooooooooooo.

― Matt M., Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:10 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

Wimmels, Thursday, 9 June 2016 15:59 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 12 June 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 13 June 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Correct results.

Austin, Monday, 13 June 2016 00:25 (seven years ago) link

Ladies and Gentlemen, ILM

The Brexit Club (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 June 2016 05:48 (seven years ago) link

Travesty

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 13 June 2016 13:14 (seven years ago) link


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