HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

The first few books everyone speaks like this: "it's the blah blah blah, isn't it?"

omg yes. and so much expository wizardsplaining dialogue. like just in case you missed something that happened, don't worry, a few paragraphs later some character will recapitulate it.

there are no second acts in Westerosi lives

Believe it or not, Iwan Rheon is playing a young Hitler and he said he's worried about typecasting.

There's probably a good 20 actors I'd like to see more of. Like Oberyn and The Hound.

I thought Jon Hamm would be in more big stuff but looks like he enjoys doing comedy more than anything.

Hamm should've been cast as superman 10 years ago (he's kinda too old now but man he would've been perfect)

I feel that we've come full circle to "I hardly feel the need to be talked down to when I'm watching this boarding school whodunnit tits and dragons epic fantasy".

i started reading a game of thrones. when cersei is introduced, it says she's accompanied by "her younger children" because you had to know she didn't have children older than herself.

Some people just can't be talked down to, though.

Idris Elba's a good shout, too.

Half the cast of Freaks & Geeks as well.

Melissa McCarthy.

I'm with Shakey here on Rowling's prose style. The first few books everyone speaks like this: "it's the blah blah blah, isn't it?"

I agree and disagree. One of the more inspired aspects of the Harry Potter stuff, iirc, is that Rowling designed each book to be more or less to match Harry's age (and the age of the respective reader). So the themes and prose I want to say get a little more sophisticated (and also mopier) for the last few books. But again, it's also intended for kids, regardless, which GoT is not. Either way, I think she is a muuuuuuch better storyteller and writer of characters that you care about than GRRM (the better world-builder), not least because:

no resolution in sight.

Which I guess is my biggest problem with the GoT series. At least Rowling, with each book, has her characters in essence solving a self-contained mystery while building on and up to the broader mythology. GoT on the other hand is almost maddeningly without resolution, a trait made more frustrating by the repeated killing off (and bringing back) of major characters. Which would be hilariously subversive if the story were not in fact building to (what we presume to be) a clear resolution. Instead we get moored in details and detours while the story doesn't really move forward.

I think the resolution is quite close. Once the Starks are back in Winterfell, Kings Landing is under siege, Dany and Arya are back and the Walkers have got through the wall (all of which is a season off at most, you'd think), we're basically through to the big climactic events. Which will hopefully be really fucking big.

Unless they decide to overpuff the whole story with a load of Dorne/Iron Islands shit, or send Arya off to some other ridiculous far flung kingdom. Which I'd probably do to pad the story out if I had a franchise that was virtually guaranteed to make me $$$$$.

I can see why someone might see most of this show as part 2 of a trilogy. After the first season it's been a scramble of characters and locations, with a slow, slow, slow shift toward getting them back together for a common goal.

feel like the show's watershed moment was the red wedding

the big moment for me was the Viper vs the Mountain, in that it was one of the few things i didnt spoil for myself and it was incredibly tense viewing. every other shocking horrific moment i knew was coming.

Hodor moment?

Hodor moment did not nothing for me, tbh. Didn't help that he had nothing to do, and was basically stuck in that dead-end permanent nap-time of a location. Time travel paradox stuff does nothing to help the situation. (If he did not later die for Bran, he would never have become Hodor to begin with!)

"(If he did not later die for Bran, he would never have become Hodor to begin with!)"

That's the point!

I didn't like the hodor moment because it seemed improbable that he could hold the door against that many zombies

Xpost Yeah, sure, but it didn't gain me any more sympathy for the poor guy whose horse was linked to this three-wheeled carriage of a subplot.

yeah hodor moment had pathos but no drama - nothing changes bc of his death other than bran has to find another way to get around

It establishes Bran's power

Is warging on the same skill tree as greensight? Is it a critical dependency that one be able to warg before you can do the past-viewing stuff? Or is Bran unique in that he can warg AND greensee, or whatever the technical term is?

Not all wargs can greensee, but I think most or all greenseers can warg.

We may never know.

Ask the Maester calls it the Treeternet. Saw another "The Little Benjen That's Cold" pun. Like these GoT puns.

Jojen was a greenseer, but I don't think he could warg.

No, but both are skills almost exclusive to Northerners.

in response to el questiono de tomboto

Jojen was a greenseer, but I don't think he could warg.

― Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, June 1, 2016 4:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

this was a good song

Original Get Back lyrics or KLF outtake, iirc.

It establishes Bran's power

― Evan, Wednesday, June 1, 2016

Sure, but that's kinda exactly my point. Not that it wasn't a moment but it wasn't really Hodor's moment.

Would have been stronger frankly if it had leaned less on the pathos and more on "holy shit bran just traveled to the past and killed a motherfucker in the present"

pretty sure euron can't warg but apparently he can maybe greensee

whaaaa?

is that from the new book chapter that just came out or something

Every time I see "greensee" I can't help but think "goatse."

I think of greensleeves.

Alas.

they do call him "crow's eye" hmm hmm

Wasn't that just because he's wrinkly around his eyes?

https://madeinmyr.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/a-black-eye-shining-with-malice-thoughts-concerning-eurons-black-magic-and-potential-dark-powers/

i've been going down the awoiaf.westeros.org rabbit hole p much all day today and is grrm explicitly writing all of this shit or what? he might be able to finish the books if he spent less time detailing the inhabitants of Sothoryi or whatev.

i mean i read the first 3 books like 6 times when i was a tyke and i don't recall any of this stuff. is all of this info in later books? is anyone fact checking this wiki? are the authors fibbing?

http://direct.westeros.org/images/3/35/World_of_ice_and_fire.JPG

there's a whole book of that shit cowritten by martin, published in the last cpl years

good to know i guess. westeros seems unspeakably lame and ignorant by comparison to these other lands. i wonder why dany even gives af.

Most of the Euron stuff begins in A Feast for Crows so the first three books wouldn't tell you much

i always kinda assumed Euron would be an unreliable narrator but it's on the wiki so i guess it checks out

Which things on the wiki seem unreliable to you

none of it specifically. it's just a shit load of information that seems completely unnecessary to the overall story and if euron is the only source for this info i would suspect cause he seems to be full of shit.

but i now assume that the book clay mentioned covers all of this and more!

The book mostly covers the olden times and the geographies I think

"i started reading a game of thrones. when cersei is introduced, it says she's accompanied by "her younger children" because you had to know she didn't have children older than herself."

Is this a joke, or do you just rarely read?