Marvel Comics blabbery

Reread Brubaker on X-Men, not his better-known Marvel work. Hoping no one at Fox reads it and attempts to make their own GotG ripoff starring the Starjammers.

So this Captain America thing is asinine.

I think it's pretty funny, personally

you mean the #getcaptainamericaboyfriend thing?

it's news that is best revealed by googling IMO

Didn't Hickman basically just do this in Secret Warriors a few years back? And is the ultimate switcheroo likely to be any different than Hickman's at the end of that series?

psyched for the thinkpieces arguing that america's slow descent into fascism is being reflected in the heel turn of its greatest champion etc

does rob bricken have a hot take on this yet

I wish I hadn't read the spoiler. I've been so good about avoiding discussion of pretty much everything that's happened over the past year and a half. So with that in mind:
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How shitty is Hydra at activating double agents if they've allowed one to regularly participate in their defeat for the past 75 years?

what they should really do is make it that it comes out that in the past captain america made a pragmatic agreement w/ hydra in order to pursue other more immediate goals + threats and now some self-righteous superhero teen is calling him out for being corrupt and in bed w/ hydra.

It's funny, I was just thinking the other day when DC's Rebirth revelations leaked that Marvel, despite sweeping changes across their books, haven't made a change yet that I can remember pissing off a sizeable portion of their audience in the way that DC has become infamous for, but this might be the one depending on the execution.

I'm pretty sure Disassembled and House of M and Civil War pissed off a lot of people for ruining characters and franchises they liked and for shittng on earlier stories done by better writers.

The Bendis era is pretty much the most divisive Marvel era of them all, with some saying he was a hack only cared about his pet characters and who ignored most of the previous continuity, while others thought he revitalised parts of the MU that weren't doing so well, such as the Avengers.

I kinda think both things are true...

the idea of bringing bucky back seemed super ill-advised but it ended up being one of the defining cap stories so i'll give this the benefit of the doubt for now

in other cap news, i've been reading through mark gruenwald's run on cap via marvel unlimited and it's such good fun

I mean, putting Wolverine and Spiderman on the Avengers was sorta a no-brainer move, but boy did that run run out of steam.

In the last year all they did was eating Chinese food and bickering while waiting for Norman Osborn to win over public opinion yet again.

if this lasts longer than eight issues i would be shocked

Gruenwald Cap is just about the epitome of cozy '80s Marvel for me.

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lol would Captain America: Agent of Hydra be the same one who was changed from an old man back to his youth self, and also has his greatest enemy running around with Xavier's telepathic powers?

I mean, I have no idea when, among about fifty recent incidents, they could have swapped or brainwashed this guy

there are an unusual number of dudes-sharing-showers scenes in the first couple of years of gruenwalds run

as a britisher i just assumed it must be a vital part of the fabric of american life

Yes, hence the well-known phrase 'it's as American as showering with dudes'.

some saying he was a hack only cared about his pet characters

This is true of virtually every major mainstream comics scripter, and it's one of the ways that different writers and artists on the Avengers have distinguished themselves eg Steve Englehart w/ Moondragon, Roy Thomas w/ the Vision etc etc.

Not what you're talking about, but I'm now thinking of Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers

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Any Marvel writer worth his or her salt should care equally about all 58,673,912 characters across the multiverse. Yes, even SuperPro.

Mark Gruenwald's anniversary issue of Captain America (350?) is the greatest. It's like the best piece of comic book hackwork ever.

Speaking of hackwork, Nick Spencer has turned into a terrible writer! Lousy overextended dialogue on every page.

xp yeah, it's a blast. steve rogers vs john walker! the red skull returns in a cloned captain america body! gruenwald's stories sure ran at a hell of a clip

xpost Aw, I was about to say that just about the only thing this nutzoid idea had going for it was Nick Spencer. I've really enjoyed everything I've read of his (through I guess like late 2014?).

Yeah, he's been better. Blame the editor, perhaps?

It's funny, I was just thinking the other day when DC's Rebirth revelations leaked that Marvel, despite sweeping changes across their books, haven't made a change yet that I can remember pissing off a sizeable portion of their audience in the way that DC has become infamous for, but this might be the one depending on the execution.

Retconning the Spider-Man marriage would probably count here

Ohhhhh yeah. Good call on that one.

That time they let Jeph Loeb wreck the ultimate universe

This issue also introduces us to a new generation of Hydra fighters, who resemble ISIS and white supremacist organizations. What were your influences there?

That’s exactly right. Those are the two things that are being conflated here to some extent. The Red Skull obviously has a lot of experience with fascism and Nazism and white supremacy movements. What we’re seeing here is an adoption of modern-day terror tactics. For me, those were an interesting couple of components to put together. What we see throughout the world right now is that these kinds of movements are heavily resurgent and seeing record-breaking recruitment numbers. So some of this is trying to be a little forward-thinking in picturing what the world might look like if these kinds of organizations decide to adopt these kinds of tactics.

As a Spiderman reading guy for over a decade there was all the shit with Aunt May being dead or not; Peter Parker finding out he was a clone, hitting his wife with a mighty punch, teaming up with Jackal and poisoning people; Green Goblin getting Gwen Stacy pregnant. Stopped reading not long after the last example (but I was mostly going off the superhero genre).

But if I was a young fan when Dr Octopus taken over Parker's body, I fear how I might have acted online, because that sounded incredibly vulgar and stupid. I know I would have been mad as hell.

it worked out pretty well, though!

still kind of amazed how that changed the spider-man status quo considerably and wasn't followed up by a swift reset

The idea sounded stupid for sure, and I'm not the world's biggest Slott fan, but Superior Spider-Man was decent. Mostly because the concept wasn't "now Spider-Man is evil" but rather "now Dr. Octopus is feeding his ego by trying to be an even more effective version of Spider-Man".

I felt kind of bad for Otto at the end!

I've been filled in about it, something like Parker acting as a ghostly Jiminy Cricket, Octopus becoming a good person and I'm still pretty sure I would have hated it.

Never liked Otto much.

Basically he copied his mind into Peter's and vice versa, but he needed Peter's memories in order to take over his life, so Peter's not really gone. A little Jiminy Cricket-ish, but not irritatingly so.

Otto as Spider-Man isn't really a "good person," he's still a narcissist and has what amounts to a Spider-Militia on call. But what he does do is really throw all of his potential into creating Parker Industries, which is something Peter could have done but never really had the confidence to do.

But if I was a young fan when Dr Octopus taken over Parker's body, I fear how I might have acted online

I was thinking about the late 80s Dr Fate comic - Doctor Fate went from being a man, to being a man/woman hybrid, to being a woman, to being a man, then a woman, etc.

Maybe I read the wrong publications (and admittedly it was a C-list title) but I don't remember the gender swap being an issue. Right-wing nerd whining about gender/race issues seems like a very 2000-2010s thing - at least, the internet has broadened its reach from nut fringe to not-at-all-fringe.

Where does Spider-Man's radioactive sperm fit in all of this?

deep in the fallopian tubes iirc

Right-wing nerd whining about gender/race issues seems like a very 2000-2010s thing - at least, the internet has broadened its reach from nut fringe to not-at-all-fringe.

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, May 27, 2016 9:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the only appropriate response to this recent hue and cry is for the creative community to do whatever they can to induce mass MRA aneurysms all the time.

I support this strategy

Yeah I am now completely behind the Captain Nazi plot twist after seeing all the entitled online whining

So many people are saying it's an insult to Jewish Kirby & Simon but I never thought Hydra were supposed to be Nazis, aren't they more like communists inspired by Russia and China?

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I love the first appearance of Hydra where their leader has a giant rotary dial on his wall with pictures of animals on it. did anyone ever bring this concept back in later years?