hoping they'll go for mostly single-episode plots like old treks rather than just make another serial like every other major tv series these days
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:28 (seven years ago) link
TV seems to have lost their touch - its all been downhill since Picard gave Mr Data his last rimjob
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:30 (seven years ago) link
I've thought for a while that taking the "Far Beyond the Stars" conceit as real would've been amazing, though not exactly sustainable on a series-wide basis (i.e. that would've been a much better DS9 finale than what we got).
― Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:31 (seven years ago) link
what does the startrekman have to say about all this
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:32 (seven years ago) link
time to merge star trek and star wars and add in ALF
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link
https://inventorysystemsoftware.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/gene-roddenberry-george-lucas.jpg
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link
Hmm, well Paramount will probably sell the Trek to Disney once they are finally able to admit to themselves the glaringly-obvious fact that they're embarrassed to own the property, and I'm pretty sure ALF is a Muppet, so I think this has legs.
― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
you dont think wb would buy trek to keep the wb/disney battle going on a new front?
― we should all delete our account (Will M.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Interesting proposal, I look forward to the WB Trek movie where Spock drives an axe through Kirk's spinal column for no particular good reason other than that it's totally dark + extreme to the max.
― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
I think they may reenvision ALF as CGI
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link
...looks like I should edit the thread title
http://tvline.com/2016/10/26/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-showrunner-stepping-down/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 22:55 (seven years ago) link
Oh great another Kurtzman-Goldsman joint. Because they did such a great job with Fringe.
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:42 (seven years ago) link
akiva goldsman's continued success is one of life's great mysteries
― yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:58 (seven years ago) link
oh c'mon, s2-4ish of Fringe were pretty good
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 October 2016 11:09 (seven years ago) link
this is weird to me. why would fuller walk away from this because he 'doesn't have time'? clearly something must have been going wrong.
― akm, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:15 (seven years ago) link
I hear he wants to spend more time with his family.
― Wikipedia Brown and the Case of the Incomplete Filmography (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:27 (seven years ago) link
season 3 of fringe was pretty good. then kurtzman & orci demanded a dumb cliffhanger and the show never recovered.
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link
Trek has always had a mix of inspired weirdos and hacks, I feel like it benefits from that.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:33 (seven years ago) link
Fuller's working on at least two other tv series, including American Gods. If the Paramount people kept meddling and were an irritating presence, it'd be a good reason to bail.
― mh đ, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:00 (seven years ago) link
He's still writing/plotting at least
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/14/13962170/star-trek-discovery-lead-walking-dead
Sonequa Martin-Green will play the lead (the XO of Discovery).
Should we change this thread title?
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I'm not going to believe this show is happening until there's an actual pilot date.
― Bianca Smell BO (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
Should we change this thread title?to:Sasha Deathwatch
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:24 (seven years ago) link
It's funny how much she looks like a younger Angela Bassett who had been tipped to be in the series.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:27 (seven years ago) link
wasn't there a rumor they were doing an anthology series with a different timeframe/cast each season? hmm.
― mh đ, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:48 (seven years ago) link
Well this is still taking forever. I will however happily back this:
https://tvline.com/2017/03/31/star-trek-discovery-rainn-wilson-harry-mudd-cbs-all-access/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
lol I watched the original Mudd ep the other night w my daughter and the entire time I was distracted by the highly visible shaving line all around Carmel's neck.
― ÎáœÏÎčÏ, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
Fucking hell it's tomorrow
I have concerns but I really *want* it to be good
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 September 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.
― Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
It's on Netflix in the UK and a bunch of other countries
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
A few reviews have slipped through the embargo and been decent
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
This should be worth a flyer just for more Michelle Yeoh.
― Insane Clown Fosse (Leee), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
I'm sorry, I misunderstood: CBS is only airing the first half of the two hour pilot on actual TV. Fun idea.
― Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
If they streamed it only on the CBS app but allowed digital purchases on amazon, itunes, etc. it'd make more sense. but, afaik, they are making it only available on the CBS app
so irritating, I'd shell out for the entire season purchase even if it trickles out a week at a time as per usual
― mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
i'll probably wait until next year and stream the whole season then. or find "other ways" that will appear soon, i'm sure
― Nhex, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
I just did the free CBS trial on my tv device, but I guess it doesn't air until tonight? boo
― mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
â Señor Winces (Old Lunch)
yeah i mean i know game of thrones seems to do ok and all but i'm not sure why directly adopting a piracy-based business model is cbs's schtick here
anyway when the streaming service fails they'll probably just toss it to another streaming service. doesn't necessarily doom the show.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
Phase II - proposed for Paramount Television Service, a fourth US networkVoyager (1995-2001), Enterprise (2001-2005) - designed to support UPN (1995-2006)
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
nice ship -- too bad they haven't invented probes yet and have to send their first officer into lethal radiation
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:00 (six years ago) link
this was fun but fuck CBS for making me watch a thousand NAVY SEALS promos and then asking for money to keep watching
― El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:15 (six years ago) link
points for having the main plot thread be about a black woman trying to tell everybody "no really, they're going to kill all of us" and being shouted down
― El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
cbs has consistently been tightassed with digital access to its programming since the tv-web boom, it's annoying
― j., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link
Enjoying this!
First question: how can I get one of those dope uniforms
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
We signed up for free trial - canceled after 2nd ep & got a month free so 4 more episodes
But seriously $6 for 1 original show and commercials is a joke. $10 if you want commercial free? Eat a dick
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:20 (six years ago) link
A few minutes in, it looks right at least. The ship and cinematography look like a Star Trek show (vs. the new movies).
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:43 (six years ago) link
New Klingons - ehhhhhhhh. The makeup is so heavy their faces barely move.
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 06:02 (six years ago) link
Huh.
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 06:59 (six years ago) link
The theme manages to have twelve different sections, goes a bit Mahler for some reason, not very catchy
Although I speak as someone who liked Faith of the Heart so ignore me
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 25 September 2017 07:44 (six years ago) link
Only seen the first hour - I feel like I can semi-credibly guess which ideas/dialogue came from Fuller and what came from Kurtzman/Goldsman. Not bad but the character-backstory shit is hacky and painful.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 25 September 2017 14:13 (six years ago) link
Thought it was ok. Will keep watching. But yeah, the theme tune is a mess
― groovypanda, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:17 (six years ago) link
as probably mentioned upthread, i try and be a painstakingly respectful and humble human but there is something about the scripting of this show that makes me feel like a cranky conservative asshole, maybe this is the true magic of star trek
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 11 March 2022 00:33 (two years ago) link
right!? i was complaing to mr veg last week about how the fuck do they get ~anything~ done or achieve any objectives as part of starfleet when theyâre constantly talking out their feelings on every single decision!? i felt like a cranky old boomer lmaobut in my defense: FFS
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 March 2022 01:29 (two years ago) link
just thinking of old episodes whereâthey communicate.. through emotions?âkirk fucks something picard grimaces a lot, data gives his weird non-emotional android thing, they act with egalitarian aplombjaneway appoints a team to figure out emotions, they all fight and come to halfassed consensussisko boldly acts emotionally idk whatever bakula was, they do something but a plot device from some showrunner fucks them
― mh, Friday, 11 March 2022 03:16 (two years ago) link
yesterday I got halfway through a bitchy post about how Discovery can be at red alert with shaky camera and smoke and blood on the bridge and an assailant relentlessly hurling crackling death energy at a terrified crew... then Burnham will say "Saru, a moment?" and they'll jump cut to the ready room where everything is soft focus and ferns and water features, and Michael and Saru gently touch each other's upper forearms and express their appreciation for togetherness at this difficult time
then I felt unkind and didn't post the post but I'm posting it now because GEEZ sometimes its like the show is its own SNL Parody (if anyone cared enough about this show to parody it)
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 11 March 2022 23:54 (two years ago) link
heh should have mentioned i did quite enjoy this episode! altho canât help thinking that s1-s2 gonzo discovery would have got here by about ep 4 and spent 3 eps hallucinating inside 10-Câs hyperstructure before undergoing a shocking paradigm shift that changed everything, with Detmer revealed to be the borg queen
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 12 March 2022 01:20 (two years ago) link
that moment where Michael & Saru have their yelling therapy moment in the middle of idk diplomatic negotiations? idk idk but omg it just about brought me to full red mist like are you fucking kidding me with this fucking shit
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 March 2022 02:29 (two years ago) link
ha yeah and Saru fretting about getting laid with 4 hours left til the destruction of the universe⊠actually when i put it like that maybe it seems reasonable
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 12 March 2022 03:02 (two years ago) link
lmao
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 March 2022 03:26 (two years ago) link
i guess yelling scenes are necessary when the pacing is so s l o w
i mean it took them a whole episode just to get through the galactic barrier! this flash, i love you but we only have 48 hours to save the earth mission is going to be fully half the season
also way too much time spent on tarka, and book being endlessly stupid about tarka, but, you know, ~grieving~
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 March 2022 03:35 (two years ago) link
yeah otm re book, hes been charlie brown footballed by tarka the whole fkn time and deep eternal eyerolls over this fkn emotion based math language i am so over it all yet here i am watching bc it might get good again đŹ
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 March 2022 04:02 (two years ago) link
tbh i like the language stuff even if it's ripped straight out of arrival. it beats the endless aliens who are just humans with weird nose wrinkles or whatever
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 March 2022 04:40 (two years ago) link
truei found the language stuff irritating bc it all seemed to meaningless handwavery but i was in a bad mood by then anyway
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 March 2022 05:43 (two years ago) link
have not seen this in a while is tarka an otter?
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Saturday, 12 March 2022 07:23 (two years ago) link
to a species as technologically advanced as the 10C, we must all seem like otters
(but, sadly, no he is not)
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 12 March 2022 07:52 (two years ago) link
he is however a weasel:D
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 March 2022 08:23 (two years ago) link
lol v.good!
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 12 March 2022 08:41 (two years ago) link
I haven't felt compelled to pick this back up especially now that Picard might possibly be watchable -- seems like it's a justifiable choice!
― Vladimir Poutine (Leee), Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
sadly yeah
― mookieproof, Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:10 (two years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6Q86-MUsAY5yow.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 17 March 2022 07:51 (two years ago) link
Agreed. I was like "do you WANT people to stop liking this show guys? FFS". There was NO sense of urgency around working out the communication issue.
And Tarka is a fuckwit.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 17 March 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link
briefly wondered, in the finale, if tilly and vance were gonna bang
― mookieproof, Friday, 18 March 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link
heh I accidentally unhid that comment before I saw it and of course could think of nothing else during those scenes
in the bit where Burnham describes to the 10C that she's sad cos one of the ones who died on that ship was her special one - it would have been a really good jape if they had space magicked Tarka back to life instead
overall this season was a very 6/10 viewing experience - actually that is probably a bit generous?
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 18 March 2022 10:50 (two years ago) link
The pacing really undermined this season (i.e. the endless Stuart Smalley affirmations) which was disappointing considering some of the spectacular visuals. It probably should have been 10 episodes.
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 18 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link
i liked thd finale okay, some good moments ⊠but when they were talking to the 10C i was like, all this imprecise language & feelings & belonging whatever like how would they even get wtf you are talking about YOU KNOW YOU DONT *SHARE* A LANGUAGE right!?ugh so annoying
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 March 2022 20:56 (two years ago) link
I might be weary but I thought the finale was fine and a reasonable conclusion!
― mh, Friday, 18 March 2022 22:01 (two years ago) link
An OK ending, but Book being returned was obvious. I even used the phrase "he'll come back a la Close Encounters" and there he was, being delivered in a big ball of light, silouhette wallking towards them.
The leap from "thats too nuanced a concept to convey" to "I am going to use full sentences with cultural concepts and you will totes understand it all" within the space of what had to be an hour bugged me quite a bit.
Also, why the eff didnt the NiVar president lady just use her telepathy hours earlier mightve saved loads of trouble?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 19 March 2022 01:22 (two years ago) link
OH and lol in the bit where Burnham describes to the 10C that she's sad cos one of the ones who died on that ship was her special one - it would have been a really good jape if they had space magicked Tarka back to life instead
I had the same thought! "...what, wrong guy?"
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 19 March 2022 01:24 (two years ago) link
coked-up Season 2 Disco mightâve had the balls to do it - and then reveal that heâs mirror universe Burnhamâs father and also half-Gorn and a fanatical disciple of Sybok
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 19 March 2022 02:04 (two years ago) link
that would have been so good
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 March 2022 03:27 (two years ago) link
feels like this season was the most conventionally Star Trekky? or at least aiming for that, pulling back on the head-spinning ultra-compressed narrative, plot jackknifes and weird stuff with mushrooms - i guess they started to change tack last season but the jump to a far future setting distracted from it maybe
anyway feel like it is in danger of settling down into a âmid-to-late Voyagerâ vibe - i mean for all i know that is now a prized aesthetic but it felt pretty boring at the time
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 19 March 2022 05:48 (two years ago) link
or maybe i am just doing that fan thing of hating whatever is the current version of the show - i mean I donât really identify as a Discovery Fan⊠but i guess i watch it
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 19 March 2022 05:50 (two years ago) link
I'm glad it ditched the grimdark but I think the under defined characters with ad hoc development has been with the show from the start (Saru and Burnham going from antagonistic rivals to BFFs in basically 1 episode where he thinks he's dying). It's also really fine for the workplace as family thing except filtered through an embarrassing amount of sentimentality.
Voyager was boring and corny and I ended up giving up on that show too so maybe you're onto something, because Disco is imo a bad show full stop.
― Justice League: Picard (Leee), Saturday, 19 March 2022 20:42 (two years ago) link
Really INTO, not fine for.
― Justice League: Picard (Leee), Saturday, 19 March 2022 20:43 (two years ago) link
voyager at least had seven and the doctor, who (if occasionally put into cringy situations) were good characters
the tension that burnham's presence caused in s01 was legit good, and jason isaacs has ~presence~. but since then it's been all kumbaya sprinkled with detmer's ptsd (okay, but rote) and bryce and reese arguing about book (risible)
at this point i like owo, reno, grudge and kovach; don't care about the rest
i guess i complain about this a lot but keep watching! oh well
― mookieproof, Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:18 (two years ago) link
I quit after a few eps of season 3, guess Iâm not missing much. At least there doesnât seem like a legit reason to watch this rather than carry on my long slow trawl through ds9 (mid season 2 nowâŠ)
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link
But generally I agree the show is bad. Even the worst TOS/TNG/DS9 episodes have their wonderful casts and groovy/haunting period aesthetics to fall back on; I donât get much from the writing or the performances here (or in Picard). I liked the three leads from Strange New Worlds though, so⊠maybe
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:36 (two years ago) link
And the aesthetics are just too âstreaming show shot in Canadaâ
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:37 (two years ago) link
Stamets and the Doctor were good characters and Book for most of his first season but they've dragged them down to wallow with the rest of the cast.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:46 (two years ago) link
I've just picked back up on the back half of the most recent season because my mom needs someone to complain to about how bad it is, really really hate the Federation President. One off bad political bosses are fine in ST IMO but they don't need to show up and meddle in every episode.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link
i actually involuntarily groaned aloud in the finale when the doctor said 'i needed to be here with my family'
― mookieproof, Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:53 (two years ago) link
I had to really think back to even remember there'd been some good plotlines! The whole mirror universe arc/Bad Isaacs, even part of the earlier Ash/Burnham story (after the klingon bit mostly fucked off). The spore drive discovery, chasing the red stars... ok so everythign til they jumped 900 years effectively.
Bring on the Pike and Kirk show, please.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:59 (two years ago) link
Remember when there's a huge battle going on and thousands of people are dying and Burnham and Spock take a time out to chat about their feelings instead of getting on with it?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 22:01 (two years ago) link
This show did that a LOT and it was very baffling.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 21 March 2022 22:02 (two years ago) link
it's not as pithy, but "jump cut to the ready room where everything is soft focus and ferns and water features, and Michael and Saru gently touch each other's upper forearms and express their appreciation for togetherness at this difficult time" ranks beside "make it saab" in the canon of unforgettable ST summaries. It's taking me forever to get through this damn series.
― stet, Friday, 9 September 2022 14:20 (one year ago) link