I like it! Luke has a weird forehead tumour tho
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 May 2016 08:42 (seven years ago) link
I like it too. There's some cartoonish exaggeration, but the artist clearly knows what he'd doing, it's not like the exaggeration comes from Liefeldian ineptitude. IMO it's cool that in recent years Marvel has allowed more cartoonish/non-realistic art styles to be used with their characters instead of just sticking to a realistic house style.
― Tuomas, Monday, 16 May 2016 10:35 (seven years ago) link
OTM, I was just thinking the same yesterday. Except when the artist in question mixes a cartoonish/non-realistic art style with Liefeldian ineptitude and has been effing ubiquitous for the past decade (*coughhumbertoramoscough*).
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Monday, 16 May 2016 15:33 (seven years ago) link
sometimes I love Ramos, sometimes I think he is the worst thing in the world
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 16 May 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
I think the thing of his I enjoyed most was DV8
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 16 May 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
Ramos and Chris Bachalo are both kind of indistinguishably annoying to read - both dreadful at panel layouts, and everyone has a pointy head
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 May 2016 16:17 (seven years ago) link
I will not allow bad things to be said about Chris Bachalo!
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
Bachalo's layouts are sometimes incoherent, though
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
bachalo is a terrible storyteller but i've always liked his style
― (main prostitute from Game Of Thrones) (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
hmm ok you guys get a pass for this reasonable criticism
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Yes, agree 100%. I've always loved Bachalo's art but he couldn't storytell his way out of a potato sack.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link
it's nice in the potato sack
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
now we've put that to rest i'd like to say that I really like humberto ramos and i've never had a problem with his layouts
that power man and iron fist cover isn't ramos tho is it? looks more like paul pope to me but i don't think it's him either
― (main prostitute from Game Of Thrones) (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
Sanford Greene, apparently.
http://marvel.com/comics/issue/57948/power_man_and_iron_fist_2016_1
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
ah glad someone else thought it looked like Paul Pope (albeit kinda shittier and uglier than he generally is)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
looking up sanford greene just led me to the news that darwyn cooke has died at 53. fuck :(
― (main prostitute from Game Of Thrones) (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I like Bachalo too, although much prefer his old Shade style. Felt more human. Right now I can't imagine him drawing a character like Kathy, say, who feels like they could exist as a real person. Maybe he should stick to Giffen-style nine and six panels or something.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
(I meant Lenny not Kathy)
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
bg - some more news here: Rolling SERIOUS GRAPHIC LITERATURE Thread for Comics in 2016
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
Bachalo still had decent storytelling skills in his older works, like Shade or Death the High Cost of Living. But it seems that as his artwork got more stylized, his layouts and pacing became less and less coherent. It's too bad, I actually like his more cartoonish style a lot, but it's true that a lot of his later comics are practically unreadable because the plot is so hard to follow. I guess he should stick to doing cover art.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 08:38 (seven years ago) link
omghttp://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF275-The_Offenders.pngxpost to every thread everywhere obviously
― ulysses, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 14:04 (seven years ago) link
Put storytelling first or GTFO and do covers/portfolios, is my basic stance
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
I think there can be great comics without great storytelling, tho - comics where narrative, clearly delineated action, seamless transitions between panels etc take second place to sensation, pyrotechnics, mystery, psychedelic excess (I'm thinking of someone like Druillet)
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
prob not nearly in the ballpark you are talking about Ward but now I want to reread We3
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link
love We3
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm sad that the proposed film of that lost momentum.
― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
How on earth would that work? Most of the best things about We3 are specifically about the medium.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link
Ang Lee's We3
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm afraid I'm a sucker for cleanly delineated action. I couldn't even handle Prophet! I'm a much more impatient comic-book reader than book-book reader - I get bored if there's too few words, or too many.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 16:12 (seven years ago) link
(xpost)
fuck... i can't even think about We3 without getting choked up inside. not sure i can bring myself to reread it.
also i'm not exactly carving out new or savvy ground but quitely is pretty much the best imo
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link
I just finished reading Remender's Uncanny X-Force for the first time (as a prelude to his Uncanny Avengers) and it really is as good as I'd heard. I think I'd put it up there with Morrison's New X-Men (its obvious predecessor and inspiration).
I'm still sloowwwwly making my way through Marvel Now! (I've read almost everything prior to Original Sin and Axis thus far, hope to get to Secret Wars before the end of President Trump's second term). There are a few garbage series or series that eventually turned to garbage but the hit rate is surprisingly high, and some of it really is top tier Marvel.
Although: I've been a fan of almost all of the earlier Bendis Marvel stuff but his Marvel Now! work is doing pretty much nothing for me.
― Corn Elephant, Jr. (Old Lunch), Saturday, 21 May 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
Prophet is a fun read. It's reads to me like a nature documentary or at least I hear the captions in that way.
Read the last Punisher run by Nathan Edmondson picking up the set cheap at my local shop. It gets off to a good start with battle with Elektro. The run kinda falls flat in the second part, partially as you can tell they got the "wrap this up" everything is rebooting that led the conclusion to condense. Parts are just as awkward and kinda loony as The Punisher written by anyone ends up being. Don't think this version of the Howlin' Commandos will really catch on. Oh yeah, Frank gets a pet coyote.
― earlnash, Sunday, 22 May 2016 03:59 (seven years ago) link
Reread Brubaker on X-Men, not his better-known Marvel work. Hoping no one at Fox reads it and attempts to make their own GotG ripoff starring the Starjammers.
― μpright mammal (mh), Sunday, 22 May 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
So this Captain America thing is asinine.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link
I think it's pretty funny, personally
― DJP, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
you mean the #getcaptainamericaboyfriend thing?
― ulysses, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link
it's news that is best revealed by googling IMO
― DJP, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
Didn't Hickman basically just do this in Secret Warriors a few years back? And is the ultimate switcheroo likely to be any different than Hickman's at the end of that series?
― Wet Food (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
psyched for the thinkpieces arguing that america's slow descent into fascism is being reflected in the heel turn of its greatest champion etc
does rob bricken have a hot take on this yet
― benzarro ghazarri (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:57 (seven years ago) link
I wish I hadn't read the spoiler. I've been so good about avoiding discussion of pretty much everything that's happened over the past year and a half. So with that in mind:......SPOILERZ.........How shitty is Hydra at activating double agents if they've allowed one to regularly participate in their defeat for the past 75 years?
― Wet Food (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
what they should really do is make it that it comes out that in the past captain america made a pragmatic agreement w/ hydra in order to pursue other more immediate goals + threats and now some self-righteous superhero teen is calling him out for being corrupt and in bed w/ hydra.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
It's funny, I was just thinking the other day when DC's Rebirth revelations leaked that Marvel, despite sweeping changes across their books, haven't made a change yet that I can remember pissing off a sizeable portion of their audience in the way that DC has become infamous for, but this might be the one depending on the execution.
― Wet Food (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure Disassembled and House of M and Civil War pissed off a lot of people for ruining characters and franchises they liked and for shittng on earlier stories done by better writers.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
The Bendis era is pretty much the most divisive Marvel era of them all, with some saying he was a hack only cared about his pet characters and who ignored most of the previous continuity, while others thought he revitalised parts of the MU that weren't doing so well, such as the Avengers.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
I kinda think both things are true...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
the idea of bringing bucky back seemed super ill-advised but it ended up being one of the defining cap stories so i'll give this the benefit of the doubt for now
in other cap news, i've been reading through mark gruenwald's run on cap via marvel unlimited and it's such good fun
― benzarro ghazarri (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
I mean, putting Wolverine and Spiderman on the Avengers was sorta a no-brainer move, but boy did that run run out of steam.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link
In the last year all they did was eating Chinese food and bickering while waiting for Norman Osborn to win over public opinion yet again.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link
if this lasts longer than eight issues i would be shocked
― ulysses, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link