DOOM: Classic or Dud?

Original DOOM control, like that of its predecessors, is so elemental and unrealistic but so playable - it's like Galaga or something in that the movement and shooting of these enemies turns out to work really well with two hands at the board and your brain never once is troubled by not being able to look up or down, and your aim automagically correcting for enemies above and below your line of sight. It might as well be played in Flatland and if the map mode showed enemies and their attacks it could almost be played as such.

Not quite related, but I was also thinking how smart the theming was, over and above the designers' obvious affection for horror and scifi cliches; a fairly detail-free, nonfunctional level design just glides right by as weird space or demonic places. You're a grunt, they're just spaces to be in; a different theme that demanded more window-dressing to be convincing would just induce a whole lot of wasted effort and probably overstrain the technology re: the number of sprites and textures onscreen at any one time.

It might as well be played in Flatland and if the map mode showed enemies and their attacks it could almost be played as such.

otm

despite its Visceral Immersion there is an abstraction to doom that really stands out from this distance. controls and movement have nothing to do with being a human; environments have almost nothing to do (less and less, as hell deepens) with real places. funny to compare the moral panic over it to the distinct lack of moral panic over the numbing realism of call of imperialism. i guess novelty did most of it and satan did the rest (plus i guess everyone's been distracted by GTA).

hope the level design on this new one is great. strange to think that romero-style level design -- mazes, secret doors, "how do i even get out there?"/"holy shit i'm out here!" -- largely disappeared. dark forces/jedi knight had it, but even half-life is almost as much just-a-ride as a call of duty (and for half-life 2, drop the almost). suspect the closest thing to it at the turn of the century was deus ex, which you can play like doom, if you want; nowadays i dunno -- i'm sure there's something i haven't played.

(and really it's not in deus ex, which is too busy being Real to try for anything like the density of romero's levels -- aha.)

so it's notable+funny that

a fairly detail-free, nonfunctional level design

as a collection of textures/objects/interactivity is also such an insanely detailed design as a layout, in a way that has diminished in proportion to the skyrocketing of the other kind of detail

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061030000624/doom/images/thumb/9/96/E1M3dots.png/300px-E1M3dots.png

http://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/0/09/KDIZD_Map_Z1M9.png/300px-KDIZD_Map_Z1M9.png

http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070916114742/doom/images/thumb/f/f9/E2M2dots.png/500px-E2M2dots.png

sry about that hueg last one

also i lied i am not actually sure at all that there is something in 2016 i haven't played that looks like that

enjoying this convo, but making me think i should start a thread specifically for the new one. on it.

DOOM (2016)

Those maps are great. dlh's comments about level design also remind me of some threads where we've discussed old school difficulty. ?. DOOM was not insanely hard but you were at risk of dying, and might do so, a lot. Given that obstacle, getting to a new area was a real payoff in a way that it just isn't in an on-rails game that's constantly delivering you to new and novel encounters.

(Though, you can save anytime, right? That's kinda dumb tbh.)

I got this for PS4

it's fuuuun

more talk here: DOOM (2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aa2K_firtI

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1633143

Hellshots Golf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=133&v=7qEHK4iBiXc
Golf, but in Doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEHK4iBiXc

Being able to run to your ball while it is in flight (or just run around the course whenever) would be awesome in realistic golf games.

what the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhXSLmRbiE

A N N T H I L A T I O N

the first doom movie, despite being basically indefensible, is kind of a guilty pleasure for me so i’m in for this

trailer does manage to capture the feeling of a cheesy 2000s adaptation of a video game tho

It looks like this adaptation, like the first one, makes the mistake of having more than one character. The only way to make a Doom film, IMO, is to have one character (Doomguy) and zero dialogue. It should be a silent horror-comedy, basically. Cast the dude from Letterkenny, he'd be a perfect Doomguy.

It seems to me like the biggest mistake made by filmmakers when adapting a videogame into a movie is that they wake up each day and decide to continue doing that instead of considering their actions rationally and doing something less terrible with all of that time and money.

Cast the dude from Letterkenny, he'd be a perfect Doomguy.

the main problem with the first movie is that they cast the rock and made him a villain when he's clearly doomguy material

the other problem, of course, is that neither movie has gone down the route of doing a straight-up verbatim adaptation of the doom comic book

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fwww.dreadcentral.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2FDoom-pic-1.jpg%3Fresize%3D584%252C444&f=1&nofb=1

Would watch two hours of that man's hinges coming loose.

Doom Eternal delayed to March

oh there's a different thread for the new ones isn't there

So the new one is delayed until March ... and the Switch version delayed even further past that to some yet to be determined date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFDlVgBMomQ

good lord. humanity is capable of things