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i figure 1 of 2 scenarios are possible. either for the first time ever a drunk person forgot they did something while drunk OR angel prince visited my apt in a beautiful act of compassion.

dynamicinterface, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:59 (seven years ago) link

def the second

MatthewK, Sunday, 8 May 2016 02:59 (seven years ago) link

adorable much? feel like its his take on the sexy librarian look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4odGpPzn2E

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link

holyyy shit

i love how he never just casually does an appearance on a show, he sets out to melt faces every time

an afternoon talk show. fuckin crazy

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2016 04:26 (seven years ago) link

That clip is at once the most delightful and the most heartbreaking thing I've seen in ages. As I think I commented back when that photo of him with Eva Longoria started floating around online just after his death, it is harder to see recent photos or clips of him where, far from being this distant figure from my childhood and adolescence, he was still going around being awesome with astonishing regularity. It makes me regret the only tangential attention I had been paying to his work in recent years--especially seeing the prices that the Lotusflow3r album is going for these days (that "Crimson and Clover" cover was only on the physical copies of the album--anywhere you can "acquire" it the album digitally is missing it).

Also, Sheila E!

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Sunday, 8 May 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link

Yeah the sexy librarian thing was done in 1987...with that double album he put out

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 8 May 2016 04:58 (seven years ago) link

he was really good at pulling it off.

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2016 04:58 (seven years ago) link

sexy as hell imo

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2016 04:59 (seven years ago) link

he just looks so damn great in that clip. sounds great. plays great. looks great.

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2016 04:59 (seven years ago) link

sexy and so cute!

scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2016 05:00 (seven years ago) link

Unfortunately the guy seems more 'vital' in a way that it's hard to accept....whatever

He would seem 'vital' if he was playing a show tomorrow.

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 8 May 2016 05:01 (seven years ago) link

i love that he KNOWS how good he is. and how he loves being reflected back at himself

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2016 06:34 (seven years ago) link

I think what I miss most about Prince 90s - studio work is that sense of nonchalance. It's atill there onstage. But he made too many things seem like too much hard work on record. That effortless melodicism was more or less gone.

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 8 May 2016 06:43 (seven years ago) link

I mean, Prince in the studio before the 90s

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 8 May 2016 06:44 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPHo9y4xxs8

MatthewK, Sunday, 8 May 2016 10:37 (seven years ago) link

Had completely forgotten about the original, musical version of the James L. Brooks film I'll Do Anything and don't think I ever knew that many (Most? All?) of the songs were written by Prince.

Old Familiar Toonces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 May 2016 01:48 (seven years ago) link

Yeah that's something I think is a bit undercovered right now -- the swathe of soundtrack songs and efforts he did beyond his three starring-role movies and Batman. Hell, he did a bunch of songs for Showgirls!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2016 02:48 (seven years ago) link

The IDA songs are pretty terrible. One or two popped up on the Old Friends 4 Sale compilation from the '90s while the rest are out there as boots.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 9 May 2016 03:38 (seven years ago) link

interview with tavis smiley on BET in '98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyjwhFiQqg)

i'm still inconsolable

home organ, Monday, 9 May 2016 04:12 (seven years ago) link

Some good stories about Wendy & Lisa's dads in Kent Hartman's Wrecking Crew book.

Old Familiar Toonces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 May 2016 00:19 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItJO7VOXe8w

dick gregory getting conspiratorial on both how warners wanted prince dead (though he also seems to suggest prince didnt really own his masters when he died), how he wasnt ill/didnt have aids, etc etc. there will be more like this.

StillAdvance, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 09:07 (seven years ago) link

interview with tavis smiley on BET in '98

it's a fascinating interview, but also depressing to see just how delusional prince could be. he spouts a lot of nonsense, and his ambitions for the NPG label are alternately impossibly grandiose and (occasionally) modest. the idea that larry graham's album on NPG would sell 700,000 copies!! alan leeds apparently quit running paisley park b/c it was clear prince didn't really want to run a real label, and NPG was even more of a shambles from that point of view.

basically it sounds like a guy who is losing touch w/ his audience (and his muse, probably) and can't understand why. so he blames his lack of success on nefarious folks at warner bros sabotaging his releases. one can sympathize with prince in that moment and still recognize how he copes with the reality in large part by trying to create a world of his own making that only resembles the real world a little bit. granted he's nowhere near michael jackson levels of disconnectedness.

that said, the funniest part of that interview are the horrible DIY videos NPG put together in the late 1990s. this is obviously before hi-def cameras and sophisticated, easy-to-use linear editing suites became omnipresent, and your uncle could make a professional-looking video. prince's video looks like something a few high school bros might have put together over a free weekend.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 10:36 (seven years ago) link

i should have said that the videos are charmingly horrible. especially the low-rent video effects. reminds me a little of the bar mitzvah videos my cousin was shooting and editing around the same time.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 10:38 (seven years ago) link

the unpublished rolling stone piece from 2014 was also tinged with sadness and delusions.

i can sympathise that it must be hard to bear not being at your former commercial peak but its odd for any artist in his 50s to wonder why beyonce gets to play her current music on talk shows, while he is asked/expected to play something old (not that this is even 100% the case from what i can see - he still seemed to be playing songs from his not esp great newer albums like funk n roll etc).

funniest part of the RS piece is that prince, away from WB, suddenly seemed to understand why they might not want to release music all the time (or at least, found that his new freedom meant that he didnt have to release all the time). he was a good contrarian, prince, always kicking against whoever he felt was controlling him, or going against the internet trend of newer artists putting up everything for people to hear. i wonder if he was a newer artist today, if all those vault songs would have been up on soundcloud.

StillAdvance, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 10:51 (seven years ago) link

i just clocked this mix that stirmonster made:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03rymc8

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link

DEA is launching an investigation:

DEA Agents Revisit Paisley Park As 'A Component of a Complete Investigation'

Agents with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration revisited the scene at Paisley Park in Chanhassen Tuesday evening as "a component of a complete investigation."

Investigators brought a large suitcase on wheels into the compound, big enough to hold the paper trail they're following. Fans, like Dan Hedrick, who watched also wondered, "You would think there should be something they can look at this doctor giving drugs to him."

Multiple law enforcement sources say the DEA is probing the link between Prince and the addiction doctor in California, if someone else gave Prince the narcotics and if Prince was using his real name or an alias to get painkillers.

Authorities are searching for paperwork to support their theory, including records like canceled checks, credit card charges and statements, bank documents and examining Prince's medical history, even his personal relationships. One fan lingering outside the compound Tuesday said, "sometimes you don't even want to know really what a legend does, but I'm here because of course curiosity, " according to Kim Ensminger.

The visit follows the release of a search warrant for Prince’s medical records, which shows the musician received a prescription shortly before his death and that the physician who prescribed it worked for North Memorial Clinic in Minnetonka.

The physician, identified as Dr. Michael Schulenberg (although misspelled as "Schulemberg" in the warrant), said he prescribed Prince medication on April 7 and that it was to be filled at a Walgreens, according to the warrant.

Prince also underwent tests on April 20, according to the document, and Schulenberg was dropping off the results at Paisley Park on the following day, the day of Prince’s death.

A North Memorial spokeswoman told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that Schulenberg was no longer employed at the clinic and had no further details . Schulenberg is also no longer employed at Ridgeview Excelsior Clinic, where online records showed he worked, according to a woman who answered the phone at the clinic.

The search warrant also states investigators were told Prince was treated for an illness sometime in 2014 or 2015 at Ridgeview Hospital in Chaska. There were no details explaining why he needed treatment.

5 EYEWITNESS NEWS reported prescription pills were recovered at Paisley Park the day Prince was found dead.

Meanwhile, according to two law enforcement sources close to the investigation, the potent painkiller Percocet was found in Prince's system. Percocet contains oxycodone and acetaminophen, which also showed up in his system, according to sources.

While Prince had known hip problems, it's unknown whether he was taking Percocet to treat the pain. The sources also said Prince had a dangerously low red blood cell count, meaning he had been sick.

Investigators still do not know Prince's official cause of death - that is part of the toxicology report, which has yet to be released.

http://kstp.com/news/prince-search-warrants-medical-records-north-memorial-clinic-prescription-dr-michael-schulemberg/4133344/

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

Ronin Ro book is fine. But after reading that and several other things, I just got the Per Nilsen book out of the library and it seems like with much of the material he got there first and also provided a little more detail.

The Pizza Underground Is Massive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2016 01:53 (seven years ago) link

Meanwhile that infuriating Matt Thorne book is Amazon's #1 Best Seller in Soul Music.

To pick a few random but serious nits, off the top of my head - u see what eye did there? There is a point a few chapters in where he talks about Prince starting to record for Warner Brothers but there is absolutely prior to that about his initial interactions or negotiations with any label at all, WB or otherwise. Also, he seems to think the term "to gaslight" originated in a Steely Dan lyric. Finally there are several bizarre paragraphs in which he takes Prince to task for reading some kind of New Age Self Help book, something to the effect that "I expect I have to tolerate a little bit of this from my idols and other creative types but really, Prince, in this you've gone too far." Atrocious.

The Pizza Underground Is Massive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link

Toure book was really engaging and he really gets at some great things I hadn't thought about. Made me laugh out loud a few times too. Also earned some eye rolls from me but that's ok. It helps digest the tone to know it was expanded from a series of lectures. He seems to have had some of his own conversations with Dickerson, Leeds, Fink, Susan Rogers etc too.

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 14 May 2016 03:12 (seven years ago) link

I think Prince could have been more contemporarily relevant toward the end, if he wasn't such a control freak dick. If you do everything your way and your way alone, you really can't be that surprised when no one else is on your wavelength.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:18 (seven years ago) link

Is it really not abundantly clear that doing everything his way and his way alone was infinitely more important to him than seeming "contemporarily" "relevant"?

Elvis Santana (stevie), Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link

if only Prince had done things Josh in Chicago's way!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link

Nobody called Picasso a control freak dick

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:37 (seven years ago) link

That's not what I meant!!!! I meant that if he wanted to sell more records or whatever he prolly could have. I was referencing the post referencing the RS story, and conspiracies re WB, all the people keeping Prince down, or delusions of Larry Graham going gold. Just saying there were alternatives, but Prince was not one to compromise.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:42 (seven years ago) link

Whether that's for the better or not is a different matter. I know it's been noted that AOA, his best later album, was his only with an outside producer.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:43 (seven years ago) link

Was just saying that if popularity or album sales were ultimately that important to him, he could have made it happen, but at least partly on someone else's term, or in partnership. Like, a high profile reissue series, or even the Purple Rain 25th, which came and went despite news he reclaimed ownership and had remastered it. Just Prince being Prince.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 May 2016 13:47 (seven years ago) link

Hadn't plans for vinyl reissues been inked before his death? Does anybody even buy CD reissues anymore?

AFAICT his stock, critically, seemed higher than it had in ages. He had a MOJO cover feature last year or the year before, right?

Elvis Santana (stevie), Saturday, 14 May 2016 14:00 (seven years ago) link

I think he could always pack arenas, land magazine covers, etc. But obviously he didn't make things easy for journalists! To entertaining ends. No recording, interview the band first, wait for hours, that sort of thing. He was brilliant and probably unique in preserving his mystique, often at the expense of others, not in a selfish way but as a means of maintaining control. Which was pretty impressive, but also ... capricious?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 May 2016 14:45 (seven years ago) link

Meghan Trainor is contemporarily relevant

who the fuck cares about being contemporarily relevant

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 May 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

Did I misread the post? What shit do I give? The point is that Prince wanted to be relevant. In the RS interview, and Tavis, etc. But I don't think it was lack of ability or absent Muse, just his own professional eccentricity that made it more difficult.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link

He probably didn't need to be relevant but it does seem that, given the medium in which he worked, he still might have liked to be relevant and current.

Btw, in that infamous WMGGW RnRHoF video, who is the other guitar player playing the riffs off the record on far stage left?

The Pizza Underground Is Massive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link

Hmm. While in a sense I admire Prince for his attempts at keeping his music off the internet - which must have been a fucking headache to actually achieve - I do think keeping his music off Youtube and Spotify wasn't the greatest idea. The hardcore fans were always going to follow his music, but he often made it difficult for potential new fans, especially if he wasn't getting the airplay that he used to. People are more likely to try before they buy these days, that's the way it works now. You can't expect people to wake up one day and have some sort of revelation and say "I'm going to buy a Prince record" if they're unable to hear his music.

I deeply suspect that the re-emergence of stuff on Youtube, coupled with the press inches about his death, will lead to people jumping on board. This is the sad thing, of course, that it's happening now when he isn't around to reap the rewards.

But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah those great rewards you get from streaming videos on youtube. he's missed out on potential thousands of dollars.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link

meanwhile he has preserved a singular mystique so now maybe the first artist millions of millenials aren't able to just youtube and will have go actually discover through record store perusing, hearing his music at clubs, dance parties, etc.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:33 (seven years ago) link

Oh, how you do miss the point.

But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Those things aren't on a binary. Discovering him on YouTube has meant buying his albums in stores and playing him in clubs, as I learned a couple weeks ago.

also "record stores" in 2016?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link

Adam would condemn the kid in a metropolis w/out a record store to chew on Prince mystique for the rest of his life.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link

Alfred completely and totally OTM.

But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link

Oh, how you do miss the point.

are we talking about a specific post or article or something? maybe i am.

Prince not being reasonable is why he's Prince. it's why he has made so much otherworldly beauty.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link

wait did Alfred discover Prince on youtube?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link


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